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SCOTUS: Scalia on the defensive over gay rights

Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

TurtleDude said:
foremost constitutional scholar in the USA

well there are many ahead of that guy you worship

Akhil Amar is tops-sterling professor at yale sort of trumps a guy like your buddy

Laurence Tribe is well ahead of him

So is Steven Calabresi


William Van Alystyne

among others.
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It's hilarious how you've been googling away. But I bet you wish you paid more attention.



Harvard Professor of constitutional law Laurence Tribe suggested that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia tone down his political barbs. “I think Justice Scalia ought to reconsider the harm he does to the court as an institution when he indulges his famous wit in order to stab the president,” said Tribe, who argued for Al Gore in the Bush vs. Gore 2000 showdown, during a Tuesday appearance on Jansing & Co. "



Harvard Prof. advises Justice Scalia to stop politicized attacks on president - Lean Forward

No serious scholar takes Scalia seriously.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

TurtleDude said:
LOL-that's a moronic statement. I bet you think Obama is smarter than Scalia and anyone who supports lesbian marriage more intelligent as well
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Anyone who can equate homosexuality to murder is an idiot.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

TurtleDude said:
I never said I agreed with the man on every or most issues. Its fun watching people who have no clue about constitutional scholarship whining about a guy because they don't like his decisions on a few well publicized issues. I don't much like lots of Souter's decisions but he was a brilliant justice as well
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Being well educated doesn't neccessarily translate into brilliance, good decision making or even common sense and Scalia is certainly a good example of that. So is Scalia's comment another example of his using his personal "feelings" over original intent? Why he didn't use inter-racial marriage instead of murder to make his analogy since it would have been more in context with the issue at hand?
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

MaggieD said:
76-year-olds didn't push the gay agenda forward. Young blood did that. If we can't cut old men a break, we're no less bigots than they are.
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Being tolerant of intolerance is no better than being intolerant.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Einzige said:
On another forum I go to, there's a derisive term for this sort of attitude: "Moderate Heroism". It's not considered a compliment.

There's nothing hypocritical about hating the hater, because hate itself, in the abstract, isn't the enemy.
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Did posters on that other board have any idea what you were talking about?
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

head of joaquin said:
It's hilarious how you've been googling away. But I bet you wish you paid more attention.



Harvard Professor of constitutional law Laurence Tribe suggested that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia tone down his political barbs. “I think Justice Scalia ought to reconsider the harm he does to the court as an institution when he indulges his famous wit in order to stab the president,” said Tribe, who argued for Al Gore in the Bush vs. Gore 2000 showdown, during a Tuesday appearance on Jansing & Co. "



Harvard Prof. advises Justice Scalia to stop politicized attacks on president - Lean Forward
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googling-LOL Akhil and Steve were good friends of mine in college and I saw steve give the Taft Lecture at U of C law school a few weeks ago. Pam Karlan was another person I knew well who is well ahead of the guy you paen. the other two-attended lectures they gave.

That's what happens when one goes to a top rated law school. I don't need to google leading scholars, I know them or have met them
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Your Star said:
Anyone who can equate homosexuality to murder is an idiot.
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I don't even think he was directly comparing them, but he definitely didn't equate them. He was just comparing the ability to have moral feelings toward each of them.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

MaggieD said:
Did posters on that other board have any idea what you were talking about?
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Yes, and so would you if you possessed the slightest reading skills.

'Prejudice', by itself, is a fine thing. Discrimination is inherent to human life; we discriminate against scrambled eggs when we choose to cook them sunny-side up instead. Prejudice against minorities, living humans, is a particular case, and ought to be treated differently, and treating it differently - regardless of the subject who's prejudiced - is fine.

Being prejudiced against those who hold prejudicial views is not the corollary of the initial prejudice.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

MaggieD said:
That is not true. But it sounds good. ;)
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It is quite true, I'm not going to be okay with someone discriminating against me, period.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Anagram said:
I don't even think he was directly comparing them, but he definitely didn't equate them. He was just comparing the ability to have moral feelings toward each of them.
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His whole point was that if we can't have laws against LGBT rights based on "moral" reasons, then we can't have laws based on anything on moral reasons. Ridiculous point.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

TurtleDude said:
googling-LOL Akhil and Steve were good friends of mine in college and I saw steve give the Taft Lecture at U of C law school a few weeks ago. Pam Karlan was another person I knew well who is well ahead of the guy you paen. the other two-attended lectures they gave.

That's what happens when one goes to a top rated law school. I don't need to google leading scholars, I know them or have met them
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God I love when knownothings name drop.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Einzige said:
Yes, and so would you if you possessed the slightest reading skills.

'Prejudice', by itself, is a fine thing. Discrimination is inherent to human life; we discriminate against scrambled eggs when we choose to cook them sunny-side up instead. Prejudice against minorities, living humans, is a particular case, and ought to be treated differently, and treating it differently - regardless of the subject who's prejudiced - is fine.

Being prejudiced against those who hold prejudicial views is not the corollary of the initial prejudice.
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Once more in English, please.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Anagram said:
I don't even think he was directly comparing them, but he definitely didn't equate them. He was just comparing the ability to have moral feelings toward each of them.
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that's because you can read things rationally
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

MaggieD said:
Once more in English, please.
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A =/= B

Prejudice against those who hold prejudicial views against minorities =/= prejudice against minorities
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Apparently, to be really, really cool, one must now agree without question that 1) Scalia did compare homosexuality to murder and 2) Because he compared homosexuality to murder, Scalia is a (insert filthy name here).

Liberalism is essentially very simple. Just follow the rules. A judgment of Coolness awaits you.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Your Star said:
His whole point was that if we can't have laws against LGBT rights based on "moral" reasons, then we can't have laws based on anything on moral reasons. Ridiculous point.
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That is a ridiculous argument. But it still isn't directly comparing murder and homosexuality, and it certainly isn't equating them.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Your Star said:
It is quite true, I'm not going to be okay with someone discriminating against me, period.
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If you can't understand why a 76-year-old man might discriminate against gays, you are as close-minded as he is.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

MaggieD said:
If you can't understand why a 76-year-old man might discriminate against gays, you are as close-minded as he is.
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"If you can't understand why an Imam might discriminate against women, you are as close-minded as he is."
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Einzige said:
"If you can't understand why an Imam might discriminate against women, you are as close-minded as he is."
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Ah, but I can understand it. What now, Eizige?
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

MaggieD said:
Ah, but I can understand it. What now, Eizige?
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The point is that your initial point is dumb as Hell.

Do you consider yourself a moral relativist, Maggie?
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

MaggieD said:
If you can't understand why a 76-year-old man might discriminate against gays, you are as close-minded as he is.
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I can understand it, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not wrong. And I'm sure as **** not going to not fight when he tries to discriminate against me.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Anagram said:
That is a ridiculous argument. But it still isn't directly comparing murder and homosexuality, and it certainly isn't equating them.
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If Scalia wasn't making the comparison then why did he say it?
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Anagram said:
That is a ridiculous argument. But it still isn't directly comparing murder and homosexuality, and it certainly isn't equating them.
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The fact that he seriously thinks that being gay, and murder are on the same plane morally is damning enough. He wouldn't make the argument otherwise.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Moot said:
If wasn't making the comparison then why did he say it?
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He was comparing the ability of having moral feelings about homosexuality and murder. He was not comparing homosexuality and murder themselves.
 
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