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SCOTUS: Scalia on the defensive over gay rights

Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

I'm more upset that he can "ethically" profit from a book. The Supremes should just STFU and do their job.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

I have this theory that common decency is only for commoners. Once you get to the top, uncommon indecency is the new trend and being a proper man with down to earth perceptions and a reasonable outlook on life is in fact, looked down upon among those high up in the social scale.
 
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Or maybe (daydreaming) have them sign a contract when they get appointed that says there only job is to interpret the COTUS and judge based on that. If they don't they will be impeached and debarred.
 
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Scalia and Thomas are truly the scum of the scotus. All the rest of them I can respect, if not always agreeing with, and that very much includes Alioto, Roberts and Kennedy.

These lifetime appointment really need to be Meritocracy based as opposed to partisan selections. There must be some neutral, careful judges out there that would far better serve us in a truly fair manner instead of bringing their political party positions to a function that affects America for decades at a time.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

This asshole is a plague on the court, he should have never been appointed.



SCOTUS: Scalia on the defensive over gay rights - First Read

well Scalia is widely seen as one of the greatest intellects to ever sit on the court. we get the fact that you don't like his views on gays, lesbians etc. and while I disagree with him on his views towards gays he certainly is a better justice than anyone the dems have appointed in the last 40 years
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Scalia and Thomas are truly the scum of the scotus. All the rest of them I can respect, if not always agreeing with, and that very much includes Alioto, Roberts and Kennedy.

These lifetime appointment really need to be Meritocracy based as opposed to partisan selections. There must be some neutral, careful judges out there that would far better serve us in a truly fair manner instead of bringing their political party positions to a function that affects America for decades at a time.

you might check with people who actually understand USSC jurisprudence. iF merit was a requirement, Scalia would be way up the ladder.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

well Scalia is widely seen as one of the greatest intellects to ever sit on the court. we get the fact that you don't like his views on gays, lesbians etc. and while I disagree with him on his views towards gays he certainly is a better justice than anyone the dems have appointed in the last 40 years

Read his dissenting opinion on the California video game law from about a year ago, and your opinion should change. That was one of the most idiotic, and painful things I've ever read. This guy is just plain nuts.
 
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Scalia is a creepy little intellectual thug, isn't he. He never says anything that doesn't involve an insult or a ridiculous sense of his own entitlement and the entitlement of the rich and smug.

How did this punk ever become a judge? He looks like Lou Costello as a mean drunk.

Hey Abboooooott!

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Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Saclia is a plague to justice and morality.
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Read his dissenting opinion on the California video game law from about a year ago, and your opinion should change. That was one of the most idiotic, and painful things I've ever read. This guy is just plain nuts.


did you read Breyer and Stevens dissents in HELLER? talk about brain dead dishonest statism

every judge is going to have a bad decision once in a while. you ought to solicit the opinions of people who have actually argued in front of that court (no I have not, but several people I discuss legal matters with have)
 
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Saclia is a plague to justice and morality.

LOL-so you have argued before the USSC or you are an attorney who regularly practices federal appellate law? or just a far left socialist who doesn't like his opinions since he doesn't have much use for collectivist welfare redistributionist socialism?
 
Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

Scalia is a creepy little intellectual thug, isn't he. He never says anything that doesn't involve an insult or a ridiculous sense of his own entitlement and the entitlement of the rich and smug.

How did this punk ever become a judge? He looks like Lou Costello as a mean drunk.

Hey Abboooooott!

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More lies. How did he become a justice

lets see

he was first in every school he graduated from including yes HARVARD LAW SCHOOL

he was a court of appeals judge where he developed a reputation as hiring as clerks, the smartest available students. That is why so many of his clerks ended up on the USSC and many have become major league appellate judges or professors. Including the two smartest judges on the Sixth Circuit

try again. And remind me-you claimed to be an attorney. How many federal appellate cases have you argued. Me-a couple dozen and several of them were before at least one judge who clerked for Scalia
 
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did you read Breyer and Stevens dissents in HELLER? talk about brain dead dishonest statism

every judge is going to have a bad decision once in a while. you ought to solicit the opinions of people who have actually argued in front of that court (no I have not, but several people I discuss legal matters with have)

Anyone who can compare homosexuality to murder, or justifying using the state to judge, rate, and block business's from selling video games(Why is he not a statist for supporting that?) based on mid-1600 parenting techniques is a dumbass. Sorry, it's just the truth.
 
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Read his dissenting opinion on the California video game law from about a year ago, and your opinion should change. That was one of the most idiotic, and painful things I've ever read. This guy is just plain nuts.

That's a bit hard to do seeing as it was Scalia that authored the majority opinion striking down the law.
 
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Anyone who can compare homosexuality to murder, or justifying using the state to judge, rate, and block business's from selling video games(Why is he not a statist for supporting that?) based on mid-1600 parenting techniques is a dumbass. Sorry, it's just the truth.

No judicial temperament at all. A judge not only has to be unbiased he has to appear to be unbiased. That's very important for the public to have trust in the judiciary. Scalia is a scab on the high court.
 
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I know you are an attorney and I accept your thoughts and respect them. Is Scalia brilliant and well-versed? Yes. Is he a total right-wing asshole? Yes.

I'm arguing for court neutrality here. I've only once taken a case to SCOTUS and won half and lost half. That sure as **** gives me no expertise but my opinion of Scalia and his parrot stands.

Respectfully,
Specklebang


you might check with people who actually understand USSC jurisprudence. iF merit was a requirement, Scalia would be way up the ladder.
 
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I respectfully disagree. Seems to be used that way.

“If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"



He's not comparing homosexuality with murder.
 
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. How many federal appellate cases have you argued. Me-a couple dozen and several of them were before at least one judge who clerked for Scalia

Several in fact. But this thread is not about my superior lawyering skills and your fetish for personalizing everything, but rather Scalia's thuggery and lack of judicial termperament.

Frankly a judge that compares a group of people to murderers because of their sexual orientation should be impeached on grounds of utmost stupidity.
 
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That's a bit hard to do seeing as it was Scalia that authored the majority opinion striking down the law.

Ahh **** that was Thomas, my bad. But still, it's not hard to confuse the two, they both say some stupid ****.
 
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He's not comparing homosexuality with murder.

He added, “If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

It's pretty clear that he is refering to it negatively here, at least close if not on par wih murder.
 
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can't stand scalia
he is an embarrassment to the court (as is thomas)
neither should be found ethical

that said, i do not see what is newsworthy about scalia's comment:
Speaking at Princeton University, Scalia was asked by a gay student why he equates laws banning sodomy with those barring bestiality and murder. ‘I don't think it's necessary, but I think it's effective,’ Scalia said, adding that legislative bodies can ban what they believe to be immoral.”
He added, “If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

there are those who still view sexual activity outside of marriage as immoral
those who believe it is immoral not to attend church
many believe that those of different races should not marry and should not have bi-/multi-racial children
and there are those who believe sodomy remains immoral
just as they believe bestiality and murder are immoral

in short, scalia offered an honest, direct answer to a pointed question

still can't stand the corrupt bastard, however
and cannot share turtledude's assessment that this bastard possesses a brilliant intellect. have witnessed no indication of that being true
 
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I know you are an attorney and I accept your thoughts and respect them. Is Scalia brilliant and well-versed? Yes. Is he a total right-wing asshole? Yes.

I disagree that he's "brilliant". He's an intellectual thug who can't make arguments based on thoughtful merits. Which is why he constantly makes invidious comparisons like he just did between gays and murderers.

The comparison shows a dull intellect that can't make distinctions between moral judgments that have a basis in the rights of others, and moral judgments that merely involve prejudice and hate.

Murder harms the rights of others, so making moral judgments about murder is warranted, even putting aside the social policies we want concering dissuading violence. Sexual orientation isn't remotely like that. It's the same as Scalia saying: can't we make laws embodying racists moral judgment that black people are bad and need to be oppressed.

A normal intelligent person understands there is a category error here. But Scalia is just a conservative hack who can't think straight.
 
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Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

can't stand scalia
he is an embarrassment to the court (as is thomas)
neither should be found ethical

that said, i do not see what is newsworthy about scalia's comment:


there are those who still view sexual activity outside of marriage as immoral
those who believe it is immoral not to attend church
many believe that those of different races should not marry and should not have bi-/multi-racial children
and there are those who believe sodomy remains immoral
just as they believe bestiality and murder are immoral

in short, scalia offered an honest, direct answer to a pointed question

still can't stand the corrupt bastard, however
and cannot share turtledude's assessment that this bastard possesses a brilliant intellect. have witnessed no indication of that being true

You're correct that there is an "argument" is his rather ugly comparison relating to morality and the law that is a genuine issue. I guess the response would be that the comparison is invidious and he is making a category error comparing sexual orientation and murder.

The former doesn't harm anybody, despite one's "moral" feelings about it. The other does cause harm to others, so the moral odiousness of it is based not in bias, but the positive emotion of wanting to protect people.

So he is "technically" making an argument about morality and the law, but instead of arguing on the merits used an inapt and invidious comparison. It's typical of him becuase he is a hack.
 
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