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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

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    Yes the whole thing was a lie. But, what is your problem about the morality issue. Killing unborn babies for convenience is exactly that, a morality issue. Josef Mengele would have fit right in.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    Yes the whole thing was a lie. But, what is your problem about the morality issue. Killing unborn babies for convenience is exactly that, a morality issue. Josef Mengele would have fit right in.
    What do you mean by the whole thing was a lie? I was talking about the legal arguments.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    He's not comparing homosexuality with murder.
    Then he should have used a victimless activity with a morality component.

    Like being a drunk or something.

    Something people.don't like but that has no victim.

    What he did is called conflation.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Then he should have used a victimless activity with a morality component.

    Like being a drunk or something.

    Something people.don't like but that has no victim.

    What he did is called conflation.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    If morality should never be considered in law, why do we have "war crimes"? Why would excessive collateral damage be punished? I'm sure Lt. Calley would be delighted to hear he's no longer holding the bag.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I wish you would refrain from the insults, they aren't really needed, but you make some great points.

    First, should these "moral feelings" be embodied in to law? Dunno. Good question.

    Second, you distinguish murderers as a group that can be discriminated against because they hurt people. This is interesting. I would say, though, that we have laws against many things that don't hurt others. It would be illegal for me to smear myself in green jello and walk naked through the subway, for example.
    The theory is that public nudity does "harm" others, if only their sensibilities.

    So this is not a good example.

    Generally, our jurisprudence involves protecting society and its members. Attendant to that, we may have moral feelings relating to a law. Thus we criminalize child molestation because it both harms children AND it is morally repugnant. We don't ban Britney Spears albums, even thought they are arguable morally repugnant, because nobody is harmed by here dubious music.

    Laws that simply discriminate against people because we don't like them are generally ruled unconstitutional under the equal protection clause. Thus Scalia invidious comparison between moral feelings about murder and moral feelings about gays shows what an intellectual shill he is. He's just doing the bidding of the Right.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    Not sure that relates to Biblical admonishments. See the problem with your response?
    No, since we don't pass laws based on biblical admonishment, especially dubious ones, like the homophobia of the religious right (which is more in their mind than the bible)

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    He isn't doing that, though. He never says that homosexuality is similar to murder.
    Yes he is. He's saying just as moral feelings against murder are a legitimate reason to pass laws against it, so to moral feelings against gays is a reason to pass laws against homosexual behavior.

    That's a hot mess of a legal argument that shows an inferior intellect at work. It's better suited to a Fox News show than the Supreme court.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Anyone who can compare homosexuality to murder, or justifying using the state to judge, rate, and block business's from selling video games(Why is he not a statist for supporting that?) based on mid-1600 parenting techniques is a dumbass. Sorry, it's just the truth.
    he did not, stop having a fit over a false charge

    and I would bet there is no one on this board with the intellectual gifts of Justice Scalia. Many legal scholars believe he is the most gifted justice to ever sit on the court. Only Roberts and Alito can match his academic record.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Several in fact. But this thread is not about my superior lawyering skills and your fetish for personalizing everything, but rather Scalia's thuggery and lack of judicial termperament.

    Frankly a judge that compares a group of people to murderers because of their sexual orientation should be impeached on grounds of utmost stupidity.

    idiocy at its basest form in that post. you apparently have demonstrated an inability to understand what he was saying. and superior lawyers aren't here during working hours as much as you are or rung up over 2000 posts in less than two months

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