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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    I´m a little bit horrified for what I´m reading here.

    Everyone should first look upon himself, then he should proof if he harm others and if he don´t harm others with what he´s doing, then it´s right in what he´s doing.

    I can´t determine, that gay people harm the society in what they are doing with their preferred orientation.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This asshole is a plague on the court, he should have never been appointed.



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    Actually, he compared the criminality of murder with that of the criminality of homosexuality, in that all criminality is derived from the legislature, big or small, and often on moral grounds, more often based on zeitgeist than logic.

    I wonder if those screaming about the statement, which there is absolutely nothing wrong with, have equal acrimony towards people who think being able to put two male or female names on a marriage licence is tantamount to giving blacks or women the right to vote.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I disagree that the immorality which you defend is harmless.

    I think it is obvious that society is suffering a great many ills, as a result of sexual immorality, and the destruction of the family as the basis for society. High rates of illegitimacy, high rates of divorce, premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, drug abuse, gang crime — all of it is part of the very same sickness. This sickness has severe consequences, not only for those individuals who choose to participate in it, but for society as a whole. When you defend any part of this, you are defending all of it.
    Utter nonsense. Reducing a bunch of disparate things - some actual problems, others not so much - into a single cohesive whole, is both spectacularly simple minded and completely useless.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I disagree that the immorality which you defend is harmless.

    I think it is obvious that society is suffering a great many ills, as a result of sexual immorality, and the destruction of the family as the basis for society. High rates of illegitimacy, high rates of divorce, premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, drug abuse, gang crime — all of it is part of the very same sickness. This sickness has severe consequences, not only for those individuals who choose to participate in it, but for society as a whole. When you defend any part of this, you are defending all of it.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    If it were about morality then vigilante justice would be commonplace. It is about preserving social order.
    It seems to me that simply saying its to preserve the social order in response is simply avoiding why the social order exists at all.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    This is simply false and misses the point.

    The rule against perpetuities in wills isn't based on morality; it's just a practical consideration.

    More to the point, for private morality to become public policy (i.e., law) there must be more than moral feelings -- there must be an interest to protect, or harm to be averted.

    We don't pass laws against murderers because we don't like them (though we don't) but because we want to prevent and punish violence.

    For those who want to discriminate against gays to fulfill their own (insecure) private morality, my answer is: grow up. Homosexuality causes no harm to third parties and discriminating against gays harms them and harms society by not allowing people to fully participate and contribute in our society.

    And no, morality isn't objective. It makes no sense to claim that.
    Law, like logic in a lot of ways is the procvess of moving an item that is subject to consideration on the face, to objective truth. The law, especially common law, in theory, is providing a framework to establish the objectivity of any given item. It takes the subjective and turns it into the objective. And yes, assumption, suppositions are all made along the way to help it get there. Morality is most certainly subjective, but it ceases to be, when properly considered.


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