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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    MmmmmK, whatever.
    I would encourage you to read the Lawrence opinion and see if you think there is any doubt on how he will rule. He votes based on his whims and does not even really seem to care about providing a legal standard that can be followed. In a way, that's a good thing as it will ensure he has no lasting legacy.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    Have you read his opinion in Lawrence? He is a slug and has recently implied that he wishes to overturn the ruling. I bash him because he is morally repugnant and without principle.

    The difficulty on DOMA will surround his pretense of supporting states rights. The law is clearly unconstitutional without any consideration of the 14th.
    I agree that it is un-Constitutional, but I wouldn't bet on Scalia of all the Justices supporting you in that. Perhaps you have not read his dissent in Romer v. Evans. If I were to guess, enumerated powers might be the only argument he would possibly be open to, but the SCOTUS usually does the old "Well if the Constitution doesn't say the federal government cannot act, then they can act" slight of the federalist hand when faced with enumerated powers.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    You have misunderstood my message. Let me further explain.

    I'm not discussing "legalities", I'm discussing "moralities". Please refer to Bob Blaylocks earlier posts and you'll understand what evoked my statement. This has nothing to do with any enforcement or laws.

    I'm also not using the term "contract" as a legal format. Almost everything we do as humans carries with it an implication of "contract". As a basic example, we all have a "contract" not to cross the painted line in the middle of the road. In marriage, we have an element of this type of "contract". That's why we conduct ourselves in a particular manner and we have "contracted" not to be sexual with others. I do not advocate honoring these contracts as a legal issue, just as a human issue. The summation of my point is that homosexuality is moral, adultery is not. This in response to Mr. Blatlocks statement that homosexuality is inherently immoral.

    I hope this clears up things. I'm always happy to answer questions regarding my pontifications



    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    So, what the state should keep a record of everyone that has agreed to an ope marriage so that they know who to arrest? Can you imagine the sort of entrapment that would take place?

    The state has no interest in protecting the feelings of citizens. The interest in marriage is about property.
    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    Also, at best, your argument concerning contracts would justify some form of tort not criminal laws.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    You have misunderstood my message. Let me further explain.

    I'm not discussing "legalities", I'm discussing "moralities". Please refer to Bob Blaylocks earlier posts and you'll understand what evoked my statement. This has nothing to do with any enforcement or laws.

    I'm also not using the term "contract" as a legal format. Almost everything we do as humans carries with it an implication of "contract". As a basic example, we all have a "contract" not to cross the painted line in the middle of the road. In marriage, we have an element of this type of "contract". That's why we conduct ourselves in a particular manner and we have "contracted" not to be sexual with others. I do not advocate honoring these contracts as a legal issue, just as a human issue. The summation of my point is that homosexuality is moral, adultery is not. This in response to Mr. Blatlocks statement that homosexuality is inherently immoral.

    I hope this clears up things. I'm always happy to answer questions regarding my pontifications
    Okay, I would say the morality depends on the agreement but agree, in general.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I'm more upset that he can "ethically" profit from a book. The Supremes should just STFU and do their job.
    Or have meetings with the Koch brothers. This guy and two other righties on the bench are as dirty as any polotician in the country. They make Blago look clean.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    I would encourage you to read the Lawrence opinion and see if you think there is any doubt on how he will rule. He votes based on his whims and does not even really seem to care about providing a legal standard that can be followed. In a way, that's a good thing as it will ensure he has no lasting legacy.
    Been there, done that......

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061240765

    Next time, you might want to inform yourself before making personal attacks.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Been there, done that......

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061240765

    Next time, you might want to inform yourself before making personal attacks.
    Boohoo.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    Boohoo.
    Just sayin.....

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    That's why we must get rid of Scalia and we must prevent bigotted people from imposing their biases on public policy by discriminating against people based on gender and sexual orientation.

    It's evil to discriminate against people who aren't harming others by their conduct. It harms both the minority that is attacked and the rest of society, which doesn't benefit from the full participation all members.
    I disagree that the immorality which you defend is harmless.

    I think it is obvious that society is suffering a great many ills, as a result of sexual immorality, and the destruction of the family as the basis for society. High rates of illegitimacy, high rates of divorce, premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, drug abuse, gang crime — all of it is part of the very same sickness. This sickness has severe consequences, not only for those individuals who choose to participate in it, but for society as a whole. When you defend any part of this, you are defending all of it.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    When you defend any part of this, you are defending all of it.
    Why do you believe this? Why is it impossible for me, or society as a whole to accept say premarital sex or homosexuality, while completely disavowing drug use and gang crime?
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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