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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Homosexuality is evil, and it is immoral.
    Evil????? Really? Please explain how gay is evil.

    As for your belief that's it's immoral. That's fine. Some believe drinking alcohol and even dancing is immoral. That's a personal choice.

    The problem comes when you decide you want to legislate and create laws and benefits that exclude others based on your personal beliefs.

    Do you believe it's immoral for a black man to love a white woman? Should those couples NOT be socially accepted? is that kind of relationship evil?

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Homosexuality is evil, and it is immoral. It seems the only “morality” that you advocate is one in which nobody is allowed to recognize any immorality for what it truly is. That is no morality at all.
    Evil is confusing morals with moralizing.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "The Texas statute undeniably seeks to further the belief of its citizens that certain forms of sexual behavior are 'immoral and unacceptable,' … the same interest furthered by criminal laws against fornication, bigamy, adultery, adult incest, bestiality, and obscenity," Scalia wrote in dissent. "Bowers held that this was a legitimate state interest. The court today reaches the opposite conclusion.... This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation."....read....
    Justice Antonin Scalia defends writings on anti-gay laws - latimes.com
    In summary: Its ok to make laws against immoral things, until you change your mind.


    Take his mildest example: adultery. The country used to have numerous laws concerning adultery, but now, not so much. Does that make adultery no longer immoral? Its still immoral in my book, and each and every one of us is entitled to their opinion on it.

    However, if you take that case as judicial precedent, then he is correct, you cannot make laws based on morality, since its up to the individual to justify that opinion.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    However, if you take that case as judicial precedent, then he is correct, you cannot make laws based on morality, since its up to the individual to justify that opinion.
    The world legislates "its idea of morality" all the time: murder, robbery, perjury, etc., etc. But morality is a fluid judgment, not a constant. Some don't get that.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The world legislates "its idea of morality" all the time: murder, robbery, perjury, etc., etc. But morality is a fluid judgment, not a constant. Some don't get that.

    Isn't there a difference between a "universal morality" (murder) and a "personal morality" like sexual attraction and even eating meat on Friday?

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In summary: Its ok to make laws against immoral things, until you change your mind.


    Take his mildest example: adultery. The country used to have numerous laws concerning adultery, but now, not so much. Does that make adultery no longer immoral? Its still immoral in my book, and each and every one of us is entitled to their opinion on it.

    However, if you take that case as judicial precedent, then he is correct, you cannot make laws based on morality, since its up to the individual to justify that opinion.
    Well said and I agree. I don't think the government has any business legislating morality. So did I read the article wrong and Scalia is also against legislating morality....unless the majority want it?

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    "Take his mildest example: adultery. The country used to have numerous laws concerning adultery, but now, not so much. Does that make adultery no longer immoral? Its still immoral in my book, and each and every one of us is entitled to their opinion on it."

    If one considers what is done in the bedroom between consenting adults is ok how can one consider adultery immoral?

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Isn't there a difference between a "universal morality" (murder) and a "personal morality" like sexual attraction and even eating meat on Friday?
    There certainly ought to be. The fact is there is no clear consensus on one type of "morality" but there is on the other.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Personally, I think the scum of the court are the justices that won't stand up for human rights by banning elective abortions that so clearly violate a human's most sacred right, the right to life.

    I also agree with Scalia. Why can't people have feelings against homosexuality or also believe that it is immoral just like they believe murder is immoral?
    As you know I'm the guy that argues against homosexuality without a religious bone to pick, however, something the homophiles really dislike is when you bring up the notion that homosexuality is natural, but yet, dislike and contempt for homosexuality cannot be equally natural. (I use the word natural in its contemporary meaning within the context for illustration only)

    Now to head of joker... Is it my understanding that you are NOW claiming to be a lawyer in addition to an economist??

    If you were even remotely qualified as a lawyer you would have seen right off that Scalia was in NO way equating homosexuality to murder. It was clear to anyone that can read a 4th grade textbook that his argument was ad absurdium.. My God people, get a grip. Even the kid that asked Scalia the question said that he felt as though that Justice Scalia was kind and courteous to him in answering.


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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    I can not find one iota of immorality in homosexuality. Love is love, no matter who engages. It's the opposite of harmful.

    Adultery seems to be so easily forgiven. Now, that's immoral. Dishonesty is immoral. Injuring others is immoral. Failing to help others is immoral.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Homosexuality is evil, and it is immoral. It seems the only “morality” that you advocate is one in which nobody is allowed to recognize any immorality for what it truly is. That is no morality at all.

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