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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    The quote is actually a perfect example of how Scalia rules, he confuses his "moral feelings" with the law. A person has the right to moral feelings against homosexuality, just as I have the right to have moral feelings against said person. However, one cannot justify a law without demonstrating a legitimate state interest. There is no rational argument for how the state benefits from persecuting homosexuals.

    Scalia's argument is so obnoxious because it provides no useful legal test. Every single action you can think is considered immoral by somebody, you could use his argument to justify literally any kind of law.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Equating homosexuality with evil or immorality is vile. I happen to be a huge advocate of morality but not the type of morality Scalia espouses. Sorry, I'll go with Head Of Joaquim on this one even though I rarely agree with him on other topics.
    Homosexuality is evil, and it is immoral. It seems the only “morality” that you advocate is one in which nobody is allowed to recognize any immorality for what it truly is. That is no morality at all.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Homosexuality is evil, and it is immoral. It seems the only “morality” that you advocate is one in which nobody is allowed to recognize any immorality for what it truly is. That is no morality at all.
    On the contrary, your bigotry is immoral. Irrational hatred for an something that causes no harm is wrong. However, that is not the basis for how you create laws. While the country would be a better place without people who hate gays, that does not justify sticking people like in jail. While your kind of attitude is immoral, it doesn't lead to the kind of explicit and direct harm that meets the standard for government delivered punishment.

    I don't really expect you to admit that homosexuality is wrong. I do expect you understand that your viewpoint of homosexuality is not sufficient basis for the law. Keep in mind that one day in the future my argument will be the only reason that the gay-friendly voting populace doesn't chuck homophobes in jail.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    On the contrary, your bigotry is immoral. Irrational hatred for an something that causes no harm is wrong. However, that is not the basis for how you create laws. While the country would be a better place without people who hate gays, that does not justify sticking people like in jail. While your kind of attitude is immoral, it doesn't lead to the kind of explicit and direct harm that meets the standard for government delivered punishment.

    I don't really expect you to admit that homosexuality is wrong. I do expect you understand that your viewpoint of homosexuality is not sufficient basis for the law. Keep in mind that one day in the future my argument will be the only reason that the gay-friendly voting populace doesn't chuck homophobes in jail.
    do you feel the same way about laws that are aimed at the wealthy or gun owners.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    On the contrary, your bigotry is immoral. Irrational hatred for an something that causes no harm is wrong. However, that is not the basis for how you create laws. While the country would be a better place without people who hate gays, that does not justify sticking people like in jail. While your kind of attitude is immoral, it doesn't lead to the kind of explicit and direct harm that meets the standard for government delivered punishment.

    I don't really expect you to admit that homosexuality is wrong. I do expect you understand that your viewpoint of homosexuality is not sufficient basis for the law. Keep in mind that one day in the future my argument will be the only reason that the gay-friendly voting populace doesn't chuck homophobes in jail.
    You are not allowed to say that he is a bigot for his beliefs, without making yourself a bigot, since you are intolerant of his opinion. Its that whole "point a finger a someone, three more point at you" thing.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Playing the victim, especially by proxy, is cowardly, Maggie. Nobody's denying Scalia the right to hold whatever opinion he wishes. It's impossible to do so. We simply refuse to accept or acknowledge his opinion as legitimate; further, we regard that opinion as a reflection of a piggish personality. That ought to be acceptable to you, live-and-let-live as you sometimes want to be seen to be.
    Playing the victim by proxy. I wish I could read one of your posts and actually understand the whole thing, Einzige. Being an elitist doesn't mean you have to communicate in code. What opinion of his is it that you see as a reflection of his piggish personality?? Quote it here!!

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    His history on LGBT rights. Obviously.
    What is that history?? It certainly isn't apparent from the OP link.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You are not allowed to say that he is a bigot for his beliefs, without making yourself a bigot, since you are intolerant of his opinion. Its that whole "point a finger a someone, three more point at you" thing.
    Interesting how many side with "state's rights" on the legalization of marijuana (a preference issue), but against those "state's rights" when it comes to the definition of a marriage contract (unless they like SSM). Had no state passed SSM this "movement" would likely not exist. It is also quite odd that two constitutional amendments were involved in establishing federal control of alcohol (a recreational drug) yet none was required to nationally ban many other recreational drugs. I agree that some of Scalia's opinions/analogies are way off the mark, but also agree that many of his opinions are quite valid interpretations of the constitution.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I find it comical that the very people who have asked for tolerance for sooo long would fail to show that same tolerance to a 76-year-old man raised in a far, far different world. Comical. Yes, I do.
    There are plenty of people his age who don't think like he does. Scalia is an educated, intelligent man who has no doubt been exposed to gay people on a personal level many times in his life. There is really no excuse for his bigotry.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Let there be no doubt, Scalia is a bigot. I wonder what Matthew Sheppard's mother must think of Scalia's comparison.




    "....In 1996, Scalia dissented when the court struck down an anti-gay initiative from Colorado. There, he made a reference to murder: "The court's opinion contains grim, disapproving hints that Coloradans have been guilty of 'animus' or 'animosity' toward homosexuality, as though that has been established as un-American. Of course it is our moral heritage that one should not hate any human being or class of human beings. But I had thought that one could consider certain conduct reprehensible — murder, for example, or polygamy, or cruelty to animals — and could exhibit even 'animus' toward such conduct. Surely that is the only sort of 'animus' at issue here: moral disapproval of homosexual conduct."

    Scalia dissented again in 2003 when the court struck down a Texas law that made sex between gays a crime. The opinion by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy overturned a 1986 ruling in Bowers vs. Hardwick that had upheld state sodomy laws.

    "The Texas statute undeniably seeks to further the belief of its citizens that certain forms of sexual behavior are 'immoral and unacceptable,' … the same interest furthered by criminal laws against fornication, bigamy, adultery, adult incest, bestiality, and obscenity," Scalia wrote in dissent. "Bowers held that this was a legitimate state interest. The court today reaches the opposite conclusion.... This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation."....read....
    Justice Antonin Scalia defends writings on anti-gay laws - latimes.com



    Yesterday it was the "slippery slope fallacy" (forced to eat broccolli) and today it's 'reduction to the absurd'" (homosexuality is murder)

    So thats how it is, Scalia uses fallacious reasoning to justify his not so brilliant opinions on. What a bork er uh I mean dork.

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