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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I feel better that you can understand it, YourStar. And I don't blame you one iota for disagreeing with his archaic way of thinking. He's an old man...from an older world. In regards todays' morals, his thoughts are irrelevant, in my opinion.
    See? You are a moral relativist, whether you know it (or what the word means) or not. "He's older, and as such exempt from some of the moral rules we apply to ourselves today."
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I feel better that you can understand it, YourStar. And I don't blame you one iota for disagreeing with his archaic way of thinking. He's an old man...from an older world. In regards todays' morals, his thoughts are irrelevant, in my opinion.
    Well his thoughts aren't really irrelevant since he's on the SCOTUS. I'm not going to judge him on the morals of the 50's, I'm going to judge him on the morals of today, and today holding those views is wrong, and he should be judged accordingly.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

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    The fact that he seriously thinks that being gay, and murder are on the same plane morally is damning enough. He wouldn't make the argument otherwise.
    Uh he didn't

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    He was comparing the ability of having moral feelings about homosexuality and murder. He was not comparing homosexuality and murder themselves.
    Scalia wants to overturn Lawrence vs Texas and allow states to outlaw homosexual acts. He is comparing them.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    That is a ridiculous argument. But it still isn't directly comparing murder and homosexuality, and it certainly isn't equating them.
    Lawyers study words and how they affect people. Emotionally and cognitively.

    What he did was to.conflate the two.

    The fallacy he committed was using unrelated examples.

    Murder is universally a crime. Humans considered it a crime before there were formal laws.

    His ENTIRE job is words.and what they mean. He knows what chords hes plucking when he does this.

    Similar to the "bestiality is next" bit.

    "If we cant think morally about same.sex marriage, can we think morally about interracial marriage?" (Paraphrase)

    See how different his statement sounds by simply substituting another thing some people think is immoral?

    He does.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Jesus Christ, "moral relativism" isn't an 'obscure term'. Goddamned John Hagee uses it liberally in condemning modern society. It's long been a favorite watchword of undereducated right-wing moralists, and 'moral relativists' rarely apply the term to themselves.

    Let me put it in a language you can understand: do you think that some moral rules apply more to some people than to others?
    Who the HELL is John Hagee?

    Never mind. Thanks for the translation. My answer to your question would be no. In regards this particular post, I don't see how that applies. Advocating for gay rights...understanding that being homosexual is not a choice but a gender...all the rest -- is newer-age thinking. And right, as far as I'm concerned. But I can most certainly understand a guy in his 70's having a problem with it. If you can't? That's your shortcoming.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

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    I don't think so, he's a pretty big bigot.
    He might be. I don't know. Based only on that statement though, you could not conclude he was a bigot.

    He's making an argument I disagree with about whether morality should be legislated, but he isn't equating murder to homosexuality, other than that he believes both of them to be immoral.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Who the HELL is John Hagee?

    Never mind. Thanks for the translation. My answer to your question would be no. In regards this particular post, I don't see how that applies. Advocating for gay rights...understanding that being homosexual is not a choice but a gender...all the rest -- is newer-age thinking. And right, as far as I'm concerned. But I can most certainly understand a guy in his 70's having a problem with it. If you can't? That's your shortcoming.
    Nobody's argued that it's incomprehensible that an ancient Papist should hold to ancient views. The argument is that it doesn't matter, and that he's as beholden to modern ethical standards as anyone else. His age doesn't exempt him from obeying the same standards as everyone else. It's so ironic that dogmatic moralism breeds this kind of relativism.
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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If Scalia wasn't making the comparison then why did he say it?
    This is the essence of the matter, and it's consistent with Scalia's past use of inflammatory rightwing rhetoric. His judicial "theory" is just a facade for conservative goals, like vilifying minorities.

    Again, not only must Justices decide cases fairly, they must appear to decide fairly. Scalia can't do that, being a political hack. He has no business on the court and has harmed its reputation as numerous constitutional scholars have noted.

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    Re: Justice Scalia compares homosexuality to murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    See? You are a moral relativist, whether you know it (or what the word means) or not. "He's older, and as such exempt from some of the moral rules we apply to ourselves today."
    He's not exempt from anything except perhaps harsh judgment for his beliefs. If understanding why an old man would be against practicing homosexuality, same-sex marriage and all the rest makes me a moral relativist, I certainly don't consider that an insult.
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