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    Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

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    (Texas) Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    When state lawmakers passed a two-year budget in 2011 that moved $73 million from family planning services to other programs, the goal was largely political: halt the flow of taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood clinics.Now they are facing the policy implications — and, in some cases, reconsidering.

    The latest Health and Human Services Commission projections being circulated among Texas lawmakers indicate that during the 2014-15 biennium poor women will deliver an estimated 23,760 more babies than they would have as a result of their reduced access to state-subsidized birth control. The additional cost to taxpayers is expected to be as much as $273 million — $103 million to $108 million to the state’s general revenue budget alone — and the bulk of it is the cost of caring for those infants under Medicaid.



    the same story may be found at the NYTImes site: Likely Increase in Births Has Some Lawmakers Revisiting Cuts but since I've already been warned once for something that was an error and not an intentional misuse of the forums, I thought putting this into the "Non-MSM" category would be safer.
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    People making dumb decisions and then blaming others because they did not give them an easy solution is what is wrong with today's society. If your poor and cannot afford a child and cannot afford your own birth control then perhaps you should not have sex, or would that make to much sense?

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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    People making dumb decisions and then blaming others because they did not give them an easy solution is what is wrong with today's society. If your poor and cannot afford a child and cannot afford your own birth control then perhaps you should not have sex, or would that make to much sense?

    Yeah yeah - in your ideal world, the poor would be sterilised or maybe just forced to wear chastity belts, but in the real world - what solution do you offer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yeah yeah - in your ideal world, the poor would be sterilised or maybe just forced to wear chastity belts, but in the real world - what solution do you offer?
    Yes I realize expecting all people to actually act responsibly is a pipe dream. Im not asking anyone to do something I myself am not willing to do. I have practiced celibacy for many years, it is not difficult it just takes a little will power.

    Smart people sometimes make bad decisions but learn from their mistakes. Dumb people make the same bad decisions over and over. I feel we should help those in need but on a voluntary basis and not forcefully. Why should I as a responsible person constantly have to pay (with my tax dollars) for others who make mistake after mistake. Call me selfish if you wish but yes I would almost rather have persons who show poor judgement time and again by having multiple children they cannot support to be sterilized before receiving tax funded aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Yes I realize expecting all people to actually act responsibly is a pipe dream. Im not asking anyone to do something I myself am not willing to do. I have practiced celibacy for many years, it is not difficult it just takes a little will power.

    Smart people sometimes make bad decisions but learn from their mistakes. Dumb people make the same bad decisions over and over. I feel we should help those in need but on a voluntary basis and not forcefully. Why should I as a responsible person constantly have to pay (with my tax dollars) for others who make mistake after mistake. Call me selfish if you wish but yes I would almost rather have persons who show poor judgement time and again by having multiple children they cannot support to be sterilized before receiving tax funded aid.
    at least you're honest about your wishes
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yeah yeah - in your ideal world, the poor would be sterilised or maybe just forced to wear chastity belts, but in the real world - what solution do you offer?
    Wasn't it argued by "ideologues" that sex education in schools would solve this problem?

    Now it seems that the government wants to reenter the abortion biz, a euphemism for "Family Planning", in order to get rid of children unfortunate not to be born into well off families.

    What's the euphemism for that these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Wasn't it argued by "ideologues" that sex education in schools would solve this problem?

    Now it seems that the government wants to reenter the abortion biz, a euphemism for "Family Planning", in order to get rid of children unfortunate not to be born into well off families.

    What's the euphemism for that these days?
    Shouldn't try and use that "sex-education excuse' when talking about Texas - schools in Texas offer either abstinence-only classes or nothing at all - because so many 'religious' parents object to schools telling the kids anything about sex.


    Nice diversion by the way - the question remains: What would you have done in this specific instance? The Republican legislators tried to kill Planned Parenthood AND did so by claiming they would be saving taxpayer dollars - instead they are spending perhaps three times as much - so what's a rightie gonna do?


    it does seem to be a pattern of behaviour for Republicans - pass a bill with loud proclamations about how many dollars they are saving taxpayers and almost invariably the result costs the taxpayers more than the liberal ideas.
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Shouldn't try and use that "sex-education excuse' when talking about Texas - schools in Texas offer either abstinence-only classes or nothing at all - because so many 'religious' parents object to schools telling the kids anything about sex.
    In fact I never mentioned Texas but I've been told abstinence actually works.
    Nice diversion by the way - the question remains: What would you have done in this specific instance? The Republican legislators tried to kill Planned Parenthood AND did so by claiming they would be saving taxpayer dollars - instead they are spending perhaps three times as much - so what's a rightie gonna do?
    What diversion? There was no diversion.

    A righty would suggest responsibility and abstinence while a lefty would encourage abortion mills, specially on the poor. Would you agree?


    it does seem to be a pattern of behaviour for Republicans - pass a bill with loud proclamations about how many dollars they are saving taxpayers and almost invariably the result costs the taxpayers more than the liberal ideas.
    It only costs the government money if the government insists on paying for [programs that would otherwise assume personal responsibility.

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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Shouldn't try and use that "sex-education excuse' when talking about Texas - schools in Texas offer either abstinence-only classes or nothing at all - because so many 'religious' parents object to schools telling the kids anything about sex.


    Nice diversion by the way - the question remains: What would you have done in this specific instance? The Republican legislators tried to kill Planned Parenthood AND did so by claiming they would be saving taxpayer dollars - instead they are spending perhaps three times as much - so what's a rightie gonna do?


    it does seem to be a pattern of behaviour for Republicans - pass a bill with loud proclamations about how many dollars they are saving taxpayers and almost invariably the result costs the taxpayers more than the liberal ideas.
    This is true in most southern states. Where I live the sex education classes are a joke
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Do what we do, you can't get out of sex ed. it's a requirement for graduation.

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