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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    People making dumb decisions and then blaming others because they did not give them an easy solution is what is wrong with today's society. If your poor and cannot afford a child and cannot afford your own birth control then perhaps you should not have sex, or would that make to much sense?
    Know what else makes sense? 1: You cannot shut off millions of years of evolutionary responses. 2: Birth control does not always work.
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't know where you got your stats but here is the real deal over a longer time period.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18.pdf
    Your link while more complete does nothing to equate birth rate with sex education. Not to mention it also supports Jet's graph in that it does show that teen pregnancy is on the decline..lower now than it was in 1980. Along with a decline of non marital births from 50% in 1970 down to 23% in 2007. It also shows nothing about whether those births were with women that were well off and could support thier child without help vs children whose mother couldn't afford them without help.
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact I never mentioned Texas but I've been told abstinence actually works.
    Well, apparently not abstinence-only education. States with abstinence-only sex ed have significantly higher teen pregnancy and abortion rates then states who teach comprehensive sex ed.

    Figures though, bad information leads to bad outcomes.
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Know what else makes sense? 1: You cannot shut off millions of years of evolutionary responses.
    I don't think anyone wants to do that.
    2: Birth control does not always work.
    That's quite well known.

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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Your link while more complete does nothing to equate birth rate with sex education. Not to mention it also supports Jet's graph in that it does show that teen pregnancy is on the decline..lower now than it was in 1980. Along with a decline of non marital births from 50% in 1970 down to 23% in 2007.
    The first graph with stats from the 1940's shows that non marital births have been clearly on the rise.

    Here is the summary..

    Key findingsData from the Natality Data Sets, National Vital Statistics System (NVSS)
    • Childbearing by unmarried women has resumed a steep climb since 2002.• Births to unmarried women totaled 1,714,643 in 2007, 26% more than in 2002. Nearly 4 in 10 U.S. births were to unmarried women in 2007.• Birth rates have risen considerably for unmarried women in their twenties and over, while declining or changing little for unmarried teenagers.• Nonmarital birth rates are highest for Hispanic women followed by black women. Rates for non-Hispanic white and Asian or Pacific Islander women are much lower.• Most births to teenagers (86% in 2007) are nonmarital, but 60% of births to women 20–24 and nearly one-third of births to women 25–29 were nonmarital in 2007.• Teenagers accounted for just 23% of nonmarital births in 2007, down steeply from 50% in 1970.

    That last stat is important because it demonstrates that, since the advent of the pill, women are having more control over their reproductive system. But it still begs the question of why non-marital births are still on the rise. It seems that this not a problem regarding sexual education, these women must know what causes pregnancy, but that there are other factors involved. Looking at those factors is when emotions start running high and the real debate begins.

    It also shows nothing about whether those births were with women that were well off and could support thier child without help vs children whose mother couldn't afford them without help.
    There are many agencies who will help low income women who don't want their child, born or unborn, and these should receive more publicity. It seems that 'abortion rights' gets a lot more press than those people who would actually save children's lives and raise them in loving families.

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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, apparently not abstinence-only education. States with abstinence-only sex ed have significantly higher teen pregnancy and abortion rates then states who teach comprehensive sex ed.

    Figures though, bad information leads to bad outcomes.
    I agree. Abstinence can be taught as the safest alternative, but not the only alternative.

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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't think anyone wants to do that.
    But that is what those that promote abstinance only want. They would prefer that women keep thier legs closed period unless they want and can fully support a baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's quite well known.
    Yes it is quite well known. Why is it that those that say that abstinance should always be practiced and blame the woman for not keeping her legs closed (ironically never, or rarely, mentioning the guy) ignore this well known fact?
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The first graph with stats from the 1940's shows that non marital births have been clearly on the rise.

    Here is the summary..

    Key findingsData from the Natality Data Sets, National Vital Statistics System (NVSS)
    • Childbearing by unmarried women has resumed a steep climb since 2002.• Births to unmarried women totaled 1,714,643 in 2007, 26% more than in 2002. Nearly 4 in 10 U.S. births were to unmarried women in 2007.• Birth rates have risen considerably for unmarried women in their twenties and over, while declining or changing little for unmarried teenagers.• Nonmarital birth rates are highest for Hispanic women followed by black women. Rates for non-Hispanic white and Asian or Pacific Islander women are much lower.• Most births to teenagers (86% in 2007) are nonmarital, but 60% of births to women 20–24 and nearly one-third of births to women 25–29 were nonmarital in 2007.• Teenagers accounted for just 23% of nonmarital births in 2007, down steeply from 50% in 1970.
    But it still does not equate sex education as being the reason that births, over all, are on the rise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That last stat is important because it demonstrates that, since the advent of the pill, women are having more control over their reproductive system. But it still begs the question of why non-marital births are still on the rise. It seems that this not a problem regarding sexual education, these women must know what causes pregnancy, but that there are other factors involved. Looking at those factors is when emotions start running high and the real debate begins.
    Divorce rates are also on the rise. How many of those non-marital births were because of divorce. How many of those non-marital births were because the man skipped out the moment he found out that she was pregnant even though a day before he may have been thinking of marrying the woman? How many is from birth control failure? Condom failure? These are all things that your study does not mention. Yet you were trying to apply it to sex education?



    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are many agencies who will help low income women who don't want their child, born or unborn, and these should receive more publicity. It seems that 'abortion rights' gets a lot more press than those people who would actually save children's lives and raise them in loving families.
    Yes they should get more publicity. But abortion is a big issue and has nothing to do with those agencies.
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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But that is what those that promote abstinance only want. They would prefer that women keep thier legs closed period unless they want and can fully support a baby.
    No doubt some do but that's no reason to not include abstinence as an alternative in sex education programs.

    Yes it is quite well known. Why is it that those that say that abstinance should always be practiced and blame the woman for not keeping her legs closed (ironically never, or rarely, mentioning the guy) ignore this well known fact?
    Women argue that it is they who should be in control of their own bodies. Would you deny them that right?

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    Re: Lawmakers Could Restore Family Planning Funds

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But it still does not equate sex education as being the reason that births, over all, are on the rise.
    The study mention non marital births.


    Divorce rates are also on the rise. How many of those non-marital births were because of divorce. How many of those non-marital births were because the man skipped out the moment he found out that she was pregnant even though a day before he may have been thinking of marrying the woman? How many is from birth control failure? Condom failure? These are all things that your study does not mention. Yet you were trying to apply it to sex education?
    Yes, divorce rates are also on the rise and many men are skipping out on their responsibilities but we should also keep in mind that 'family values' has also been ridiculed over the past generation or so. It seems that when the sexual revolution and the women's liberation movement began many women believed they could change their attitudes and societies response to them, as happened, without men changing their points of view as well. Now many women who are moving beyond a certain age are wondering what the hell happened. Those women who did hold on to what we call 'traditional values' appear to be doing better than those who concentrated on their 'careers', what men would call work.

    Yes they should get more publicity. But abortion is a big issue and has nothing to do with those agencies.
    It has a great deal to do with those agencies. Those who strongly advocate for abortion don't even want those who are seeking abortions having the alternativers presented to them. there should be alternatives plastered all over the walls of these clinics, with the government supply as much revenue to the alternatives as they do to the abortion clinics.

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