• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Students in West Virginia School forced to stand for Black National Anthem

Deuce said:
Some people think the moon landing was faked and you can find a lot about it on google.
Click to expand...

So you refuse to look it up...OK fine, but this principal thinks there is. Do you have anything to add besides the fact that you do not think it exists? Do you think the principal has a screw loose and if so should be let go?

The words were actually printed here by another poster.
 
In a public school students shouldn't be required to stand for any national anthem.
 
I guess I never considered it a compelled speech issue because I've never considered attendance in the welfare schools to be compulsory-- if parents don't want their children saying the Pledge of Allegiance, there's always private school.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
I guess I never considered it a compelled speech issue because I've never considered attendance in the welfare schools to be compulsory-- if parents don't want their children saying the Pledge of Allegiance, there's always private school.
Click to expand...

I agree.... and if you don't like 'MURICA, there's always Mexico. I mean, there's always another option. However, as it stands, it seems like a pretty big violation of a person's right to free will to simply say that they can't go to a public school because they refuse to say a few words.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
That's what the schools are for. If you think they're all about reading, writing, and arithmetic, you're fooling yourself.
Click to expand...

Some schools are better than others and it is a parent's duty to keep that kind of crap in check.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wow... Just... Wow... In West Virginia of all places.. That is literally the last place I would expect that to happen. I'm against the playing of all pledges and anthems in schools, but playing a black anthem without playing the white and brown anthems is disturbingly racist.

Funny story, I was suspended back in highschool for not standing for the Texas pledge. Apparently they didn't have such a rule.
Click to expand...

Texas pledge? I was in East Texas from 1947 to 1964, and don't remember any pledge...
 
tessaesque said:
The song's message can really be applied to anybody who's seeking the strength to carry on.



I have no problem with playing the song because of it's more generic message...but the song does mention God...not that I personally give even one single **** about the mention of God in schools, but I'm pretty sure the mention of him in this song would likely create controversy outside of the "racism" nonsense.
Click to expand...
God damn that's a long ass song. Ain't nobody got time for that.
 
UtahBill said:
Texas pledge? I was in East Texas from 1947 to 1964, and don't remember any pledge...
Click to expand...

I am having some difficulty pinning down the date but it looks like it actually became mandatory within the past decade or so. Prior to that it varied from district to district. I graduated in '93 and we weren't doing it.

From the Texas education code:

§ 25.082. SCHOOL DAY; PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE; MINUTE OF
SILENCE. (a) A school day shall be at least seven hours each day,
including intermissions and recesses.
(b) The board of trustees of each school district shall
require students, once during each school day at each school in the
district, to recite:
(1) the pledge of allegiance to the United States flag
in accordance with 4 U.S.C. Section 4, and its subsequent
amendments; and
(2) the pledge of allegiance to the state flag in
accordance with Subchapter C, Chapter 3100, Government Code.
(c) On written request from a student's parent or guardian,
a school district shall excuse the student from reciting a pledge of
allegiance under Subsection (b).
(d) The board of trustees of each school district shall
provide for the observance of one minute of silence at each school
in the district following the recitation of the pledges of
allegiance to the United States and Texas flags under Subsection
(b). During the one-minute period, each student may, as the student
chooses, reflect, pray, meditate, or engage in any other silent
activity that is not likely to interfere with or distract another
student. Each teacher or other school employee in charge of
students during that period shall ensure that each of those
students remains silent and does not act in a manner that is likely
to interfere with or distract another student.

Added by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 260, § 1, eff. May 30, 1995.
Amended by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 126, § 1, 2, eff. Sept. 1,
2003.
Click to expand...
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Why not? The schools are being paid for out of our taxmonies.
Click to expand...

I don't believe there is any statement or guarantee on your tax form that says that this buys you entitlement to force all schoolkids to swear allegiance or sing any particular anthem. Just because you pay the taxes that pay for the school doesn't mean you (or rather, the government) can force the kids at that school to perform any tricks or rituals you decide you'd like them to.
 
Andalublue said:
I don't believe there is any statement or guarantee on your tax form that says that this buys you entitlement to force all schoolkids to swear allegiance or sing any particular anthem. Just because you pay the taxes that pay for the school doesn't mean you (or rather, the government) can force the kids at that school to perform any tricks or rituals you decide you'd like them to.
Click to expand...

No? The government that pays for the schools is the same government that operates them. Maybe not the same elected officials, the same governing body, but they're all part of the same democratic system.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Why not? The schools are being paid for out of our taxmonies.
Click to expand...

Yes, but the policies of our governments tend to be greatly restricted to just electing our representatives.

And even then the processes are greatly skewed to favor our two party system.

So I don't see why people should be forced to say a pledge of allegiance since people have so little control over it.

Especially children who aren't old enough to make most decisions for themselves.
 
HA! Always fun to notice on these sorts of threads that the loons always use the opportunity to display the vast importance of their own personal agendas.

The United States of America, even though now presented as the world's hub of slavery, actually had comparatively no involvement in slavery at all. A total of 12 million slaves were brought to the New World, the Caribbean, South America, Western Europe, but the United States only received 5% of that 12 million total, about 650,000 slaves. About the same number of Americans who died to end slavery.

The major slave traders were the Hispanics (Spain), Portugal and France.

The liberals are exploiting blacks, locking in their vote forever, with the endless struggle routine. They give them free phones though.
 
waas said:
It's no worse than being forced to say the pledge of allegiance. But I suppose you have some grounds for opposition, being that the institution in question is a public school.
Click to expand...

You think one pledge that is all inclusive is the same as a song that caters to only a small group of Americans?
 
waas said:
Those of us who don't play in to the fascist sham that is organized religion.:lol:
Click to expand...

The song doesn't exclude you, that is your choice.

I didn't realize the song was religious. I always thought it was about the country. You know home of the free and home of the brave and all that.

I don't think those lines are in any religious text.
 
Mason66 said:
The song doesn't exclude you, that is your choice.

I didn't realize the song was religious. I always thought it was about the country. You know home of the free and home of the brave and all that.

I don't think those lines are in any religious text.
Click to expand...

"under god" remember?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom