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    Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    A United Nations treaty to ban discrimination against people with disabilities went down to defeat in the Senate on Tuesday in a 61-38 vote.The treaty, backed by President Obama and former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kan.), fell five votes short of the two-thirds majority needed for confirmation as dozens of Senate Republicans objected that it would create new abortion rights and impede the ability of people to homeschool disabled children.

    Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) argued the treaty would infringe on U.S. sovereignty, an argument echoed by other opponents.“This unelected bureaucratic body would pass recommendations that would be forced upon the United States if we were a signatory,” he said.
    Supporters of the treaty argued that the Convention on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities would simply require the rest of the world to meet the standards that Americans already enjoy under the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act.

    Read more @: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote - The Hill's Global Affairs

    Wow its a sad day for the republican party when they wont even pass something that will uphold this treaty.... Good going republican party!


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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    According to your own article its a non binding resolution. If its non binding what is the point?

    Democrats and advocates for those with disabilities argued that recommendations from a panel created by the treaty would be advisory only, not binding, and that the treaty did not create any new legal rights in state or federal courts
    Mike Lee from the article:

    “I and many of my constituents who homeschool or send their children to religious schools have justifiable doubt that a foreign body based in Geneva, Switzerland, should be deciding what is best for a child at home in Utah,” Lee said.

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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Wow its a sad day for the republican party when they wont even pass something that will uphold this treaty.... Good going republican party!
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    The rest of the world are free to set their own standards if they want to. I don't think the U.N. needs to deal with this sort of thing...they should stick with trying to promote peace.
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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    Why do we need this? Are differently abled people in need of more rights? If so, why not pass our own laws? Why do we need it to be a UN treaty?

    This seems to me like a UN power grab, and my first instinct is "good thing we have a few sensible americans left who rejected it."

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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Wow its a sad day for the republican party when they wont even pass something that will uphold this treaty.... Good going republican party!
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    I have side with the Republicans on this one. I have a couple of issues with this:


    Supporters of the treaty argued that the Convention on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities would simply require the rest of the world to meet the standards that Americans already enjoy under the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act.
    Why would we require the rest of the world to meet the standards we set under the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act? I say let them pass their own laws for their disabled.

    Kerry countered that the treaty would allow the United States to serve on the committee to advocate for the rights of U.S. veterans and citizens living or traveling abroad.
    If U.S. veterans and citizens are living or traveling abroad, then they should comply with local laws, not U.S. laws. if they don't think the laws in that country are fair towards the disabled, don't go there.
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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    This is a shame, and just shows how broken our political process are when these senators have to cater to the crazy black helicopter crowd.
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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote - The Hill's Global Affairs

    Wow its a sad day for the republican party when they wont even pass something that will uphold this treaty.... Good going republican party!
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    There's one thing I would like to add, however. Some of the same supporters you had for the ADA in government from both parties also showed up in support for this treaty. This included Dole and McCain.

    Prior to the ADA, individuals with disabilities were largely getting political and civil rights from the efforts of politicians. It was during the ADA that the Disability Rights Movement worked in conjunction with politicians to get the ADA passed. The purposefully avoided going to the public with these concerns, out of the awareness that the public largely had misunderstandings and misconceptions of those with disabilities. In much sense, they were correct. The business community kicked up a storm toward the end of the process and the public started to belief that this was going to be lawsuit city and that it had overreached, even sometimes hearing about the parasites known as the disabled. This strategy largely continues to exist and has some benefits and costs. In this case, it was possibly a cost that the public was not made aware by disability rights organizations what the Treaty does and does not do, in order to exert public pressure to support the treaty. But then again, maybe some of the rhetoric would have kicked up a few notches had the public become more aware of it.
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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why do we need this? Are differently abled people in need of more rights? If so, why not pass our own laws? Why do we need it to be a UN treaty?

    This seems to me like a UN power grab, and my first instinct is "good thing we have a few sensible americans left who rejected it."
    This isn't largely about the United States, it's about the other members of the United Nations. If we wanted to look at the US's own legal and legislative history to this stuff, we can. Prior to PL-94-142, there were states that had high standards for the education of those with disabilities, Michigan among them. That did not stop our efforts to nationalize such standards across all public schools in the country. Thank goodness we did, because it helped a lot.
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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    As usual Republican's xenophobia and hatred for the UN triumphs over the right thing to do. Some of the comments coming for the GOP wackos on this are beyond conspiracy theory.... that the UN will force home schoolers to put in ramps for handicapped... that is actually one of the reasons that some GOP voted no...

    Fact is that this treaty/agreement or whatever you want to call it, is something that international communities join to show support for a certain cause.. in this case, making life for handicapped peoples better world wide. But nooo, the GOP is against such things it seems, just because it is happening in the UN, which happens to be the only bloody place such international agreements CAN happen.. bloody idiots.

    The very fact that those very same GOPers then went on and claimed the US had the best protection of handicapped in the world (they dont but hey), only shows the arrogance and stupidity of the GOP these days.

    Jon Stewart has a great bit on this on his last show.. and he really rips the GOP on this.
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    Re: Senate rejects United Nations treaty for disabled rights in a 61-38 vote

    This treaty did not require any US law to change.

    It was deisgned to bring the rest of the worldup to the standards of the United states in dealing with the disabled. From an american point of view, it was exporting american values around the world. Over 120 countries have already ratified it.

    It enables american disabled to expect standard treatment when travelling for whatever reason. It was endorsed by the US Chamber of Commerce, because it opens more markets to american technology and know how.

    The tremendous ignorance shown by the republicans that railed about loss of sovereignty/black helicopters and other stupid stuff not applicable is yet another indication of the paucity of common sense, thoughtful consideration and accurate analysis that they consistently demonstrate.

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