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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    No, it's in Obama's court. He needs to significantly reduce spending and allow the private sector, i.e. small businesses and middle class wage earners, to thrive. Increasing their taxes, which is what I'm sure he wants, will send the economy into another recession.

    Obama has no intention of reaching an agreement. He just wants more taxpayer dollars he can spread around.

    Let the economy fall off the physical cliff and his legacy is shot. In 20 years the asteric next to his name won't acknowledge a Republican House ever existed.

    Yeah and I'd cash out my 401K if I were anyone. I'm cashing out mine and paying the taxes for now because they will be much more in the future and they are still eying taking over the 401k's. If I want to trade stocks I'll take part of that and put it in something like Ameritrade.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I agree with this statement, that everyone that can needs to pay a bit more taxs and not just the rich.
    This is a primer to prepare for an ultimate compromise that does include tax increases on the middleclass..it might come in the form of no more tax deductions on mortgages..which im against.


    he only problem is -- and this is initially going to seem like heresy from a progressive is -- the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. And it's a good start. But we're not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board, to go back to what Bill Clinton had and his taxes. And if we don't do that, the problem is the pressure is going to be on spending even more.


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    I disagree, at least until the economy recovers. The CBO has stated letting the tax cuts for the wealthy expire will have little effect on the economy, whereas they have said that letting the middle class tax cuts expire could throw us back into recession.

    Actually, I don't think either party really thinks we have a debt problem. If they did, I don't see how both parties could have just unanimously voted to authorize $650 billion in military spending. No dissent! The vote was 98 -0.

    I will not be supporting any middle class tax increase until that wasteful spending is stopped.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    It should be fairly obvious by now that the fiscal cliff is intentional, and that the compromise was already reached - higher taxes for everyone coupled with reduced social and defense spending. Everybody gets what they want, and has ammunition to volley at the other side for the next twenty years, enough to keep us divided and stupid for the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    It should be fairly obvious by now that the fiscal cliff is intentional, and that the compromise was already reached - higher taxes for everyone coupled with reduced social and defense spending. Everybody gets what they want, and has ammunition to volley at the other side for the next twenty years, enough to keep us divided and stupid for the foreseeable future.

    I can almost believe that, were it not for the cuts to defense spending that would happen automatically. I don't think they would do that intentionally. If the sparring was for affect, why abandon the guise by recently voting 98 - 0 on passing $650 billion in military spending authorization.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    No, it's in Obama's court. He needs to significantly reduce spending and allow the private sector, i.e. small businesses and middle class wage earners, to thrive. Increasing their taxes, which is what I'm sure he wants, will send the economy into another recession.

    Obama has no intention of reaching an agreement. He just wants more taxpayer dollars he can spread around.

    Let the economy fall off the physical cliff and his legacy is shot. In 20 years the asteric next to his name won't acknowledge a Republican House ever existed.
    Actually Howard Dean and alot of Progressives will be overjoyed if no deal is made. Cutting $800 Billion from Defense is like the holy grail. You hear alot about it but it never shows up. This way it's foolproof, like the taxes going up significantly more on the top 2% then the rest of us. Be careful what you wish for.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And how do you propose to pay for the government, or are you one of those loony no-government anarchists?
    With no income tax, we could raise sales tax dramatically and still generate plenty of revenue, while at the same time, keeping much more of our hard earned dollars where they belong, in our pockets. There are lots of examples of countries out there that have no income tax, and they are doing just fine. As far as paying for the government, the government could exist on a fraction of the money they are taking in right now. Of course it would take shrinking it down to the size it was originally intended to be. Getting rid of these useless redundant branches that do nothing but waste money. No im not an anarchist, but i certainly don’t believe that government solves our problems either.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I can almost believe that, were it not for the cuts to defense spending that would happen automatically. I don't think they would do that intentionally. If the sparring was for affect, why abandon the guise by recently voting 98 - 0 on passing $650 billion in military spending authorization.
    What was difficult to understand. One could have looked at the House and specifically at the Democrats when Obama submitted his budget proposals. Twice Obama submitted and he could not get one Democrat to vote for it. Which doesn't include the Senate. Do you think they had a different agenda than what Obama was looking for? Why would his own party not back such proposals? Or at least why Not the Demos even in the State of Illinois.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I agree with this statement, that everyone that can needs to pay a bit more taxs and not just the rich.
    This is a primer to prepare for an ultimate compromise that does include tax increases on the middleclass..it might come in the form of no more tax deductions on mortgages..which im against.


    he only problem is -- and this is initially going to seem like heresy from a progressive is -- the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. And it's a good start. But we're not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board, to go back to what Bill Clinton had and his taxes. And if we don't do that, the problem is the pressure is going to be on spending even more.


    Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich" | RealClearPolitics
    No, no, no. What we need to do it slash defense spending, and eliminte social security and medicare/medicaid. That, coupled with the return of a sound monetary policy, is the only way to solve our fiscal problems.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    No, no, no. What we need to do it slash defense spending, and eliminte social security and medicare/medicaid. That, coupled with the return of a sound monetary policy, is the only way to solve our fiscal problems.
    Ya think ?

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ya think ?
    Yes, I do. You should try it some time.

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