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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Could be...haven't figured it out. I know what 15% would be for us and does not seem unreasonable.
    It seems very unreasonable to me. A person making 50 grand a year can't afford to pay a $7,500 dollar tax bill. Speaking for myself, there's no way I can afford a $15,000 tax bill. A little more than $1,000 a month coming out of my check every month? There's no way.

    Now, at 5% I would be paying about $400 a month...way more reasonable, esepcially when you figure that everybody will be paying 5%, instead of half the country paying nothing.

    And, if that's not enough, then entitelment's will have to be cut and some of those people will have to get off their asses and go to work.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Heya Ipast I didn't see ya put this up.....think the Mods can merge with this one? Instead of having two threads going on it.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1061223352

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    It could be this little ditty from Howard was telling us what Obama is thinking. He's an insider and maybe knows more than us. Could it be that he is telling us that the Obama admin. will not deal with the fiscal cliff and in turn all of us will be taxed more, not just the rich???
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    I think it's interesting, and bordering on apparent outright contradiction, that many conservatives hold, on the one hand, that the rich pay the largest share of taxes as a percentage of revenue received by the government. This, they do with current tax rates. But on the other hand, raising those rates will have no impact on the deficit. It doesn't seem that a person can coherently hold both points.

    I agree that the middle class is likely to end up having to pay more. But the above point is something I think really ought to be clarified before we start talking about raising taxes on everyone.
    It comes from an understanding that our current deficit situation isn't due to low taxes, but low numbers of workers paying taxes. If you want tax revenue, putting people back to work is priority #1 (and 2, 3, 4...). Taxing high earners doesn't put people back to work. Employment has remained flat since the end of the recession - jobs plummeted and we've essentially been holding steady at the low point ever since.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Flat tax, no loopholes, no deductions. 15-20% across the board...including those 47% now who pay no federal income taxes. Obama constantly saying we all need to pay our fair share, have skin in the game and fair shot and all that crap has not once mentioned those who pay no federal income taxes. How is that fair??? He doesn't want fair, he just wants to punish those who have been successful.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    As a general concept, I'm ok with raising taxes on everybody, so I don't reject Dean's comments out-of-hand (and I generally don't agree with Dean on much of anything). Note that I said I'm ok with it, not that I would like or prefer it.

    But, on the flip side... for all the talk I'm hearing about who should pay more, I'm hearing nothing but crickets regarding where the necessary cuts will come from. I need to know exactly what the Dems are proposing as cuts, not some vague promise that will likely be forgotten after the tax hikes are enacted.

    If there is a list of specific cuts, please let me know, and show me a link. I honestly have not seen, nor heard of, such a list.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    My personal opinion is there should be no income tax at all... For anyone, of any class...

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    As a general concept, I'm ok with raising taxes on everybody, so I don't reject Dean's comments out-of-hand (and I generally don't agree with Dean on much of anything). Note that I said I'm ok with it, not that I would like or prefer it.

    But, on the flip side... for all the talk I'm hearing about who should pay more, I'm hearing nothing but crickets regarding where the necessary cuts will come from. I need to know exactly what the Dems are proposing as cuts, not some vague promise that will likely be forgotten after the tax hikes are enacted.

    If there is a list of specific cuts, please let me know, and show me a link. I honestly have not seen, nor heard of, such a list.
    Me either. As I have stated before we've been waiting for those 2.5 dollars in spending cuts for every 1 dollar in taxes for decades now.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It comes from an understanding that our current deficit situation isn't due to low taxes, but low numbers of workers paying taxes. If you want tax revenue, putting people back to work is priority #1 (and 2, 3, 4...). Taxing high earners doesn't put people back to work. Employment has remained flat since the end of the recession - jobs plummeted and we've essentially been holding steady at the low point ever since.
    Well it's the young who mostly are not working and now they can stay on their parents insurance until 26 which lowers the incentive to do so. Lots of them are also getting their college paid for by grants, loans and their parents, another de-incentiviser to get out to work and fend for yourself.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    To add more pain we'll most likely see a VAT tax and carbon tax come into existence.
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