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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    There is no contradiction at all.

    Democrats are lobbying to increase taxes on the wealthy......
    True

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    ......while simultaneously looking to increase spending as a whole.
    False... fearing the boogie-man does not mean the boogie-man is real.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler
    And for both of those statements to be true, the final piece of this apparent puzzle, is SPENDING. Do the wealthy pay the majority of the taxes collected? Yes. Does raising their taxes fix our deficit? Not really, because SPENDING is not being addressed. It was SPENDING that gave us the deficit, not lowering taxes.
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for one specific solution over another. I was responding to another poster's point. However, as long as spending remains constant (i.e. is not increased), the two statements cannot both be true. It cannot be the case that the wealthy contribute the most revenue at a given tax rate, and also be true that raising their rates would have no effect on the deficit.

    That said, it seems the issue about spending vs. lowering taxes is more complex than you suggest. Both contributed to the deficit.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The issue there is that there are currently too many perfectly legal ways to prevent profits from being taxed.
    There is no legal way to keep profit from being taxed. i.e. if a dollar can't be taxed, it's not profit.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Imagine a country where all workers made enough to afford to pay taxes and still not starve. That's my dream
    You'll never not have poor people. However, we can reduce the number of poor people by ending government meddling in the private sector.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for one specific solution over another. I was responding to another poster's point. However, as long as spending remains constant (i.e. is not increased), the two statements cannot both be true. It cannot be the case that the wealthy contribute the most revenue at a given tax rate, and also be true that raising their rates would have no effect on the deficit.

    That said, it seems the issue about spending vs. lowering taxes is more complex than you suggest. Both contributed to the deficit.
    Taxes have done nothing but increase since the end of the civil war. That tells me that spending is what caused the deficit. We live in a subsidized nation. There is not one facet of your life that is untouched by state or federal subsidies. It's a house of cards whose base is smaller than it's top. You can tax 100% of Americans for 100% of their incomes, and this issue will not be solved. It's not a taxing issue...it never was.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There is no legal way to keep profit from being taxed. i.e. if a dollar can't be taxed, it's not profit.
    Tell that to Warren Buffet, or Mitt Romney.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Tell that to Warren Buffet, or Mitt Romney.
    Read the law.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Flat tax, no loopholes, no deductions. 15-20% across the board...including those 47% now who pay no federal income taxes. Obama constantly saying we all need to pay our fair share, have skin in the game and fair shot and all that crap has not once mentioned those who pay no federal income taxes. How is that fair??? He doesn't want fair, he just wants to punish those who have been successful.
    15%-20% would be way too high. For it to be reasonable, it would have to be less than 10% and probably in the 4-6% neighborhood.
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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    15%-20% would be way too high. For it to be reasonable, it would have to be less than 10% and probably in the 4-6% neighborhood.
    Could be...haven't figured it out. I know what 15% would be for us and does not seem unreasonable.
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    It could be this little ditty from Howard was telling us what Obama is thinking. He's an insider and maybe knows more than us. Could it be that he is telling us that the Obama admin. will not deal with the fiscal cliff and in turn all of us will be taxed more, not just the rich???
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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