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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue
    There is no contradiction at all.

    Democrats are lobbying to increase taxes on the wealthy while simultaneously looking to increase spending as a whole.
    This is not the usual rhetoric I hear. I'm too tired right now to go looking for examples, but the usual line seems to be that even keeping spending where it is (the demonstrations usually involve current budgets, not projected ones), raising taxes on the rich wouldn't affect the deficit. But, those who make those claims will also, in different millieaux, claim that the rich foot the largest share of the bill anyway.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by zyphilin
    I've been advocating for a tax sctucture on this forum for a while that will never realistically happen, but is meant to bridge the tax gap a bit on various peoples issues.

    These aren't the exact numbers from when I was researching it, but for explanation sakes i'll put some here.

    You have 5 tax brackets, each set with a %.

    Bracket 1 - 0.5%
    Bracket 2 - 1%
    Bracket 3 - 2%
    Bracket 4 - 4%
    Bracket 5 - 7%

    The percentage rate for each bracket is locked, with it being stated that you can't change one without a reduction/increase to all. You then have what would be called the Tax Multiplier. The Tax Multiplier would be a number that congress would set that is applied to all the various brackets. The number can go as low as "1" and as high as "10". So if you set the tax modifier at 5 you'd have these brackets:

    1 - 2.5%
    2 - 5%
    3 - 10%
    4 - 20%
    5 - 35%

    What this would do is make it so tax policy can still be argued back and forth between the parties all they wish, but it'd be an over arching thing not something that could be tailored to one particular group or not. To raise taxes will raise taxes on everyone. However, it also does use a "progressive" scale where the higher points of money being earned end up getting taxed more.
    For some reason, the button to "like" this post isnt' showing up. But I'd like it if I could. I think there is some merit to this kind of proposal. I might quibble with the specifics, but I think in general, it's a good idea.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm confused. Your OP was praising Dean for NOT wanting any deal. Doing nothing will also mean $800 billion in defense cuts and is Deans prime reason for allowing all tax rates to go up.
    No you misunderstood...I was praising the dean actually realized we had to compromise...and we do...also I think everyone that can pay a little more should...in degrees

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would rather see the government loosen the reins on the private sector and try raising more revenue through more private sector profits.
    The issue there is that there are currently too many perfectly legal ways to prevent profits from being taxed.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Imagine a country where all workers made enough to afford to pay taxes and still not starve. That's my dream
    And this is achieved...how? By making taxes low enough for anyone to afford them, or by increases to minimum wages? Neither of those options will work, so you got something better, I hope?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    This is not the usual rhetoric I hear. I'm too tired right now to go looking for examples, but the usual line seems to be that even keeping spending where it is (the demonstrations usually involve current budgets, not projected ones), raising taxes on the rich wouldn't affect the deficit. But, those who make those claims will also, in different millieaux, claim that the rich foot the largest share of the bill anyway.
    And for both of those statements to be true, the final piece of this apparent puzzle, is SPENDING. Do the wealthy pay the majority of the taxes collected? Yes. Does raising their taxes fix our deficit? Not really, because SPENDING is not being addressed. It was SPENDING that gave us the deficit, not lowering taxes.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    What's best for a society at large, and whats fair for the individuals within said society are rarely, if ever, the same thing. Don't like, then get out of the society. Cut all strings and attachments to it, become a hermit. Only them might you find it a bit more fair.
    true, one could argue that euthanizing severely retarded individuals and those with incurable but costly diseases and sterilizing low IQ people who have lots of kids would be very good for society-but hardly fair for those so killed or castrated

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, one could argue that euthanizing severely retarded individuals and those with incurable but costly diseases and sterilizing low IQ people who have lots of kids would be very good for society-but hardly fair for those so killed or castrated
    So, to you, killing people who are not as bright, or as healthy, is the same as taking more money away from wealthier people than what we take from less wealthy people?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    What a conundrum. Everyone DOES need to pay more taxes. AND there needs to be a drastic cut in government. AND...uh oh...all those uninsured are going to have to cough up cash for mandated policies too...

    So either its going to get bumpy in which case I hope everyone brought their helmet, or congress and the president will do what they always do...cave, jack up the debt, and stick tomorrows generations with a bigger bill.

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    Re: Howard Dean: "The Truth Is Everybody Needs To Pay More Taxes, Not Just The Rich"

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And this is achieved...how? By making taxes low enough for anyone to afford them, or by increases to minimum wages? Neither of those options will work, so you got something better, I hope?
    No, liberals who want that operate by wishful thinking, not with reality.
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