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    Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    So, now we know. The President's fiscal cliff proposal is about as serious as his last budget proposal. And Democrats don't want to be responsible for it.


    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Wednesday offered an amendment to force a vote on President Obama’s deficit-reduction plan, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was having none of it.

    “Last week [Treasury] Secretary [Timothy] Geithner brought up a proposal that was so unserious,” McConnell said on the floor, “I would like to see if my Democratic friends would like to support it.”....

    Reid, however, objected to McConnell’s suggestion, saying the Russian trade bill, H.R. 6156, is about job creation, not political stunts from Republicans... The majority leader's objection removes the amendment from consideration.


    McConnell said he wasn’t surprised Democrats didn’t want to vote on Obama’s plan, which he said raises taxes on small businesses.


    Not a single Senate Democrat has stepped forward to support it, and if you look at it you can see why,” McConnell said... The plan would also allow the president to raise the debt ceiling without action from Congress, something lawmakers heavily oppose.


    McConnell added that he'd be happy to have a stand-alone vote on the president's plan rather than attaching it to legislation as an amendment.
    Democrats, the ball is now back in your court. If you believe in that what the President has put forward, vote on it.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So, now we know. The President's fiscal cliff proposal is about as serious as his last budget proposal. And Democrats don't want to be responsible for it.




    Democrats, the ball is now back in your court. If you believe in that what the President has put forward, vote on it.
    Yeah, let the lying sacks of **** vote on it. I'll bet Obama will raise taxes on old people, Clinton did.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Reid will never allow a vote. That's not his job in the liberal scheme of things. His job is to obstruct.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    It makes perfect sense to block the vote. McConnell and the Republicans are just throwing a childish temper tantrum; maybe instead of trying to organize these stunts they should spend time coming up with a proposal of their own.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It makes perfect sense to block the vote. McConnell and the Republicans are just throwing a childish temper tantrum; maybe instead of trying to organize these stunts they should spend time coming up with a proposal of their own.
    They did. Obama rejected it.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Classic response. The plan sucks, no democrats will vote for it..its the republicans fault.

    When was the last time the democrat led senate passed a budget again?

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Classic response. The plan sucks, no democrats will vote for it..its the republicans fault.

    When was the last time the democrat led senate passed a budget again?
    The demorats do not want a "budget", the continuing resolution process locks in the 20% federal spending increase gained from the "one time", crisis spending spike of TARP and stimulus 1 (2008-2009), without having to say just why (for exactly what) federal spending must remain that high. As the demorats love to remind us - Obama "raised" federal spending very little (as long as 2008-2009 are counted as Bush years). Yes they can!
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It makes perfect sense to block the vote. McConnell and the Republicans are just throwing a childish temper tantrum; maybe instead of trying to organize these stunts they should spend time coming up with a proposal of their own.
    I would thing the democrats would be anxious to vote for the President's proposal.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    the first proposals from both sides were never intended to be anything other than setting goalposts. sad, but that's how it works.

    Obama's first proposal for health care reform was already a compromise position, and it got whittled away into near-uselessness. the public option should have been the final compromise, not the proposal.

    not trying to derail the thread into a health reform debate; i'm just using it to explain why both sides initially propose pie in the sky plans that have no chance of being enacted.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    I'm not getting the focus on HR 6156. The CBO claims that any increase in tariff revenue would be "insignificant" through 2022, that we'd actually have a (rather small, admittedly) cost of $1 million through 2017, and ...

    CBO expects that enacting H.R. 6156 would decrease revenues from visa fees and increase revenues from civil and criminal penalties imposed on those who violate the regulations. CBO estimates that the provisions would affect few people and that revenues deposited in the Treasury would not be significant in any year.
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    H.R. 6156 does not contain provisions regarding human rights violations

    ....so what jobs creation are we to expect? The bill allows Russia to move from one trade list to another, opening up trade routes, but the focus appears to be primarily on imports FROM Russia, not exports TO Russia. Why is that bill the emphasis when the "Fiscal Cliff" is looming? HR 6156 has been on the table since before July, which is when the CBO analysis was performed.
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