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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It makes perfect sense to block the vote. McConnell and the Republicans are just throwing a childish temper tantrum; maybe instead of trying to organize these stunts they should spend time coming up with a proposal of their own.
    Doesn't really matter what the Senate does at this point, Revenue bills have to originate in the House.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I've asked this before during other looming financial legislation deadlines, but I've never received an answer:

    Why is the pressure on republicans and Obama to bicker back and forth over the bill? Shouldn't it be the republican and democrat legislators going back and forth while Obama mediates the discussion? Have the democratic legislators offered up a financial bill in the house? An amendment? Any language? Any input at all? Or are the two main proposals the ones submitted by the republican group and Obama?

    And to further that, why do we not rail on the democrat legislators for essentially sitting around doing nothing while Obama and the republicans go back and forth?
    Wow, a fellow idealist. Of course it should be that way, but since the legislators in the same party as the President have to be lap dogs, why should those lap dogs get soiled by doing to much for the President? Let him slug it out with the other side.

    In the old days, when you went against your party, the President would twist your arm, invite you over to the White House for lunch, or take you to the golf course. If you stuck to your position, he wouldn't crucify you in the press.

    The President doesn't do that anymore as they requires hard work and an affinity to be around people. Well, except for the last part.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    he won the election.

    the republican proposal was a retread of what they campaigned on, and lost. But somehow that hasn't stopped them from insisting that compromise is accepting their view of the world.

    McConnell is trying to pull poltical stunts and Reid is outmaneouvering him. He got so desperate he was forced to filibuster his own bill. As you are aware. Mr. McConnell will go down in the annuls of senate history for that stupid move.
    Why are you responding to my post with a point that has nothing to do with what I said?
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I've asked this before during other looming financial legislation deadlines, but I've never received an answer:

    Why is the pressure on republicans and Obama to bicker back and forth over the bill? Shouldn't it be the republican and democrat legislators going back and forth while Obama mediates the discussion? Have the democratic legislators offered up a financial bill in the house? An amendment? Any language? Any input at all? Or are the two main proposals the ones submitted by the republican group and Obama?

    And to further that, why do we not rail on the democrat legislators for essentially sitting around doing nothing while Obama and the republicans go back and forth?
    Ive been saying the same thing. Obama has no power to tax or spend other than what congress gives him. Republicans should ignore him and deal with the Senate. Pass a bill, let the Senate amend it, and then have a conference, just like the rules say.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Ive been saying the same thing. Obama has no power to tax or spend other than what congress gives him. Republicans should ignore him and deal with the Senate. Pass a bill, let the Senate amend it, and then have a conference, just like the rules say.
    Which means that Reid holds all the cards, as he controls which bills are brought up for debate.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    In the immortal words of Paul Harvey......"and now, the rest of the story"

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) wanted to prove on Thursday that Democrats don’t have the votes to weaken Congress’ authority on the debt limit. Instead they called his bluff, and he ended up filibustering his own bill.
    The legislation, modeled on a proposal McConnell offered last year as a “last-choice option” to avert a U.S. debt default, would permit the president to unilaterally lift the debt ceiling unless Congress mustered a two-thirds majority to stop him.
    McConnell brought up the legislation Thursday morning. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) initially objected, seemingly proving the Republican leader’s point that it cannot pass the Senate. But then Reid ran it by his members and, in the afternoon, agreed to hold that same vote. This time it was McConnell who objected.
    “The Republican leader objects to his own idea,” Reid declared on the floor. “So I guess we have a filibuster of his own bill.”





    Filibusterbating: Watch Mitch McConnell Filibuster His Own Bill | Mediaite


    As Dick Durbin points out in the CSPAN video on the same page, this might be the first time a Senator introduces a bill, it IS agreed to to be brought forward for a vote....and the Senator who introduced in the first place (McConnell), objects TO HIS OWN BILL!

    You sure do know how to pick your spots, cpwill!
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    Again, plenty of blame to go around. Democrats are doing the same thing, trying to pass bills which are designed to fail.

    Centrist Democrats flock to tax-cut discharge petition - The Hill

    And Reid already did it before.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Which means that Reid holds all the cards, as he controls which bills are brought up for debate.
    Or Bhoener does. Reid cant get anything passed either.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Again, plenty of blame to go around. Democrats are doing the same thing, trying to pass bills which are designed to fail.

    Centrist Democrats flock to tax-cut discharge petition - The Hill
    How is voting for something that you were afraid would hurt you in your district previously.... the same thing as voting against your OWN BILL? Apples and oranges.

    And Reid already did it before.

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    Um, no, not even close, Reid never objected to his own debt ceiling bill, it was shelved as negotiations continued on a compromise.

    Apples and oranges, not the same thing.

    EDIT: And if this was the McConnell/Reid "PlanB" compromise, it wasn't just Reid's bill to begin with. The outcome was the Budget Control Act of 2011, which is what we are dealing with NOW.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So, now we know. The President's fiscal cliff proposal is about as serious as his last budget proposal. And Democrats don't want to be responsible for it.




    Democrats, the ball is now back in your court. If you believe in that what the President has put forward, vote on it.
    That's not what happened. Reid offered it, seeing that he had 51 votes he could count on, and McConnell ended up filibustering his own amendment. Pathetic and extremely hilarious too. Reid called McConnell's bluff.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No- Republicans offered to bring it to the floor for a vote. IE: no filibuster. They said "we will have a vote on this". Perhaps you missed that part - it was sort of the OP and the entire point of the thread?



    Where? Republicans have been fine with closing loopholes for some time - hell, it's our party platform.



    What's the point of voting when the House won't pass it anyway? The House is sitting on the bill that the Senate already passed to cut taxes for 98% of Americans and Bohner refuses to allow a vote on it.

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