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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So, something is only a proposal if you agree with it.

    And what was the proposal? Spell out the deductions and loopholes the GOP proposed to eliminate on top bracket taxpayers.

    A total fraud!

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No they didn't. Proposing "revenue increases" through closing loopholes and eliminating deductions, without stating which loopholes/deductions, is not a proposal, .
    BINGO, the GOP "proposal" was a total fraud. Just a talking point for the rightwing noise machine. Nothing more. And here are the rightwing minions, repeating it.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    And what was the proposal? Oh yeah, to eliminate nonexistent deductions and loopholes.

    Maybe you can list some of them. Here's your chance: FILL IN THE BLANK: the GOP proposes to elimate the following deductions and loopholes from top bracket taxpayers: ____________________

    Good luck twisting in the wind!
    they've given lots of options. Limiting the total size of deductions. Getting rid of the mortgage deductions on non-primary residences, and primary residences above a certain worth. Getting rid of the State Tax deduction. Etc, Etc. The Bowles Simpson plan (which is what their offer was modeled on) got rid of the vast majority, and raise more revenue therefore while lowering nominal rates. That's the basis for a smart tax reform policy, just as it was for Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    So, is this a stunt? Or only when Republicans do it?

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    I've asked this before during other looming financial legislation deadlines, but I've never received an answer:

    Why is the pressure on republicans and Obama to bicker back and forth over the bill? Shouldn't it be the republican and democrat legislators going back and forth while Obama mediates the discussion? Have the democratic legislators offered up a financial bill in the house? An amendment? Any language? Any input at all? Or are the two main proposals the ones submitted by the republican group and Obama?

    And to further that, why do we not rail on the democrat legislators for essentially sitting around doing nothing while Obama and the republicans go back and forth?
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So, now we know. The President's fiscal cliff proposal is about as serious as his last budget proposal. And Democrats don't want to be responsible for it.




    Democrats, the ball is now back in your court. If you believe in that what the President has put forward, vote on it.
    In the immortal words of Paul Harvey......"and now, the rest of the story"

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) wanted to prove on Thursday that Democrats don’t have the votes to weaken Congress’ authority on the debt limit. Instead they called his bluff, and he ended up filibustering his own bill.
    The legislation, modeled on a proposal McConnell offered last year as a “last-choice option” to avert a U.S. debt default, would permit the president to unilaterally lift the debt ceiling unless Congress mustered a two-thirds majority to stop him.
    McConnell brought up the legislation Thursday morning. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) initially objected, seemingly proving the Republican leader’s point that it cannot pass the Senate. But then Reid ran it by his members and, in the afternoon, agreed to hold that same vote. This time it was McConnell who objected.
    “The Republican leader objects to his own idea,” Reid declared on the floor. “So I guess we have a filibuster of his own bill.”





    Filibusterbating: Watch Mitch McConnell Filibuster His Own Bill | Mediaite


    As Dick Durbin points out in the CSPAN video on the same page, this might be the first time a Senator introduces a bill, it IS agreed to to be brought forward for a vote....and the Senator who introduced in the first place (McConnell), objects TO HIS OWN BILL!

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    In the immortal words of Paul Harvey......"and now, the rest of the story"

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) wanted to prove on Thursday that Democrats don’t have the votes to weaken Congress’ authority on the debt limit. Instead they called his bluff, and he ended up filibustering his own bill.
    The legislation, modeled on a proposal McConnell offered last year as a “last-choice option” to avert a U.S. debt default, would permit the president to unilaterally lift the debt ceiling unless Congress mustered a two-thirds majority to stop him.
    McConnell brought up the legislation Thursday morning. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) initially objected, seemingly proving the Republican leader’s point that it cannot pass the Senate. But then Reid ran it by his members and, in the afternoon, agreed to hold that same vote. This time it was McConnell who objected.
    “The Republican leader objects to his own idea,” Reid declared on the floor. “So I guess we have a filibuster of his own bill.”





    Filibusterbating: Watch Mitch McConnell Filibuster His Own Bill | Mediaite


    As Dick Durbin points out in the CSPAN video on the same page, this might be the first time a Senator introduces a bill, it IS agreed to to be brought forward for a vote....and the Senator who introduced in the first place (McConnell), objects TO HIS OWN BILL!

    You sure do know how to pick your spots, cpwill!
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    Figures. McConnell should be laughed out of Washington. It's amazing that there's enough retards in Kentucky to get this asshole in to the senate, lol.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    I would thing the democrats would be anxious to vote for the President's proposal.
    One would think so, but Reid is smart enough to realize that Obama's plan is psycho and democrat Senators would end up shooting it down because Obama's plan is so bad. Therefore, Reid wants to obstruct it to avoid the embarrassment of shooting down Obama's idiotic plan.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Given your logic...Obama didn't propose anything either. He resists giving details on spending cuts AND on increased spending.
    he won the election.

    the republican proposal was a retread of what they campaigned on, and lost. But somehow that hasn't stopped them from insisting that compromise is accepting their view of the world.

    McConnell is trying to pull poltical stunts and Reid is outmaneouvering him. He got so desperate he was forced to filibuster his own bill. As you are aware. Mr. McConnell will go down in the annuls of senate history for that stupid move.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MAcc2007 View Post
    One would think so, but Reid is smart enough to realize that Obama's plan is psycho and democrat Senators would end up shooting it down because Obama's plan is so bad. Therefore, Reid wants to obstruct it to avoid the embarrassment of shooting down Obama's idiotic plan.
    Wrong. Reid is smart enough not to get boxed in especially when everyone knows that Obama's first offer isn't his last.
    Your interpretation is lacking......logic and an understanding of the mechanisms of political gamemanship.
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