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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It makes perfect sense to block the vote. McConnell and the Republicans are just throwing a childish temper tantrum; maybe instead of trying to organize these stunts they should spend time coming up with a proposal of their own.
    Considering Democrats have full control over what bills are introduced in the Senate, the only way Senate Republicans can raise legislation for a vote is through the amendment process.

    While its pointless to start the conversation at all in the Senate, as all bills that include revenue must originate in the House, without Reid along for the ride all legislation is DOA.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Considering Democrats have full control over what bills are introduced in the Senate, the only way Senate Republicans can raise legislation for a vote is through the amendment process.

    While its pointless to start the conversation at all in the Senate, as all bills that include revenue must originate in the House, without Reid along for the ride all legislation is DOA.
    Until the 70% of americans that want compromise and will blame the house for any lack of...makes them do something.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Democrats, the ball is now back in your court. If you believe in that what the President has put forward, vote on it.
    The presidents offer was a starting point. It's perfectly fine if some Democrats don't like it, and it makes no sense to vote on it right now knowing that it won't pass due to filibuster.


    Besides, have you seen how upset some Republicans are getting at Boehner over what he has said? Why don't you start a thread about that? Oh that's right, doesn't fit your narrow minded political agenda based on dishonest tactics like these from McConnell.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Until the 70% of americans that want compromise and will blame the house for any lack of...makes them do something.
    And what are we going to do? We've elected the **** burger we have, and nothing is going to change that between now and November 2014.

    We can complain, cheer, do all the gyrating we want, but until the Egos in charge realize that we've got to raise taxes and cut spending to reduce the 7% GDP gap of revenue to spending we currently have, we might as well be happy with the current cliff deal.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And what are we going to do? We've elected the **** burger we have, and nothing is going to change that between now and November 2014.

    We can complain, cheer, do all the gyrating we want, but until the Egos in charge realize that we've got to raise taxes and cut spending to reduce the 7% GDP gap of revenue to spending we currently have, we might as well be happy with the current cliff deal.
    I dont know what your ranting about...thats what I said...I agree with that. What I did say that if the house stonewalls which is controlled by democrats the american people are going to blame them.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They did. Obama rejected it.
    No they didn't. Proposing "revenue increases" through closing loopholes and eliminating deductions, without stating which loopholes/deductions, is not a proposal, it's an arbitrary number pulled out of thin air. Everyone knows that the revenue goals the Republicans claim to be able to hit through doing this won't happen without either getting rid of charitable giving deductions (which would be opposed on a bipartisan basis) or getting rid of large amounts of deductions for the <$250,000/yr crowd (which the democrats have already said they would reject).

    The Republican plan for spending cuts is the exact same. A number pulled out of thin air without any explanation as to what cuts are being proposed to make up that number.

    So there is no Republican proposal on the table here, which is precisely why it was rejected.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No they didn't. Proposing "revenue increases" through closing loopholes and eliminating deductions, without stating which loopholes/deductions, is not a proposal, it's an arbitrary number pulled out of thin air. Everyone knows that the revenue goals the Republicans claim to be able to hit through doing this won't happen without either getting rid of charitable giving deductions (which would be opposed on a bipartisan basis) or getting rid of large amounts of deductions for the <$250,000/yr crowd (which the democrats have already said they would reject).

    The Republican plan for spending cuts is the exact same. A number pulled out of thin air without any explanation as to what cuts are being proposed to make up that number.

    So there is no Republican proposal on the table here, which is precisely why it was rejected.
    Given your logic...Obama didn't propose anything either. He resists giving details on spending cuts AND on increased spending.
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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No they didn't. Proposing "revenue increases" through closing loopholes and eliminating deductions, without stating which loopholes/deductions, is not a proposal, it's an arbitrary number pulled out of thin air. Everyone knows that the revenue goals the Republicans claim to be able to hit through doing this won't happen without either getting rid of charitable giving deductions (which would be opposed on a bipartisan basis) or getting rid of large amounts of deductions for the <$250,000/yr crowd (which the democrats have already said they would reject).

    The Republican plan for spending cuts is the exact same. A number pulled out of thin air without any explanation as to what cuts are being proposed to make up that number.

    So there is no Republican proposal on the table here, which is precisely why it was rejected.
    So, something is only a proposal if you agree with it.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The presidents offer was a starting point. It's perfectly fine if some Democrats don't like it, and it makes no sense to vote on it right now knowing that it won't pass due to filibuster.
    No- Republicans offered to bring it to the floor for a vote. IE: no filibuster. They said "we will have a vote on this". Perhaps you missed that part - it was sort of the OP and the entire point of the thread?

    Besides, have you seen how upset some Republicans are getting at Boehner over what he has said?
    Where? Republicans have been fine with closing loopholes for some time - hell, it's our party platform.

    Why don't you start a thread about that? Oh that's right, doesn't fit your narrow minded political agenda based on dishonest tactics like these from McConnell.

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    Re: Reid blocs Senate vote on OBAMA's deficit-reduction plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They did. Obama rejected it.
    And what was the proposal? Oh yeah, to eliminate nonexistent deductions and loopholes.

    Maybe you can list some of them. Here's your chance: FILL IN THE BLANK: the GOP proposes to elimate the following deductions and loopholes from top bracket taxpayers: ____________________

    Good luck twisting in the wind!

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