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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    "88.5 Billion" for the war in Afghanistan.

    Maybe one of you rabid Obama lovers can explain that?

    Bring those guys home and put them on the U.S./Mexican border.
    Cripe, if we bring them home and have them play Tiddlywinks, we will still save money!

    None of them will lose their lives, either.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    I meant popularity rating.
    I was joking. Congress likes to redefine things when their definition looks bad. As in the misery index.

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Tell me how much defense spending should they cut?
    Any number i give would be arbitrary, so instead I think they should cut out all spending that isnt directly connected to defending the states from invasion or fulfilling our treaties (which should all be reviewed). If you want more details, lets start will with gates reccomendation to cut 178bn.

    Gates Details $13.6B in DoD Cuts | Defense News | defensenews.com

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I was joking. Congress likes to redefine things when their definition looks bad. As in the misery index.
    Whooss right over my head. But you got that right.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We used to use bunker oil (used to be used in ships as well) to generate electricity, about 20% IIRC, back in the Carter days, but he started a movement to reduce that. Now probably around 1% of our electricity comes from burning oil...
    So making more electricity using wind and solar really does very little toward saving oil....
    Except that oil can be made synthetically
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    It worked for well for centuries until we fell hopelessly in love with fossil fuels. Fossil fuels, however, were but a fleeting affair. We know, one day, they will walk out and leave us high and dry. Maybe its time to go back to our sure and steady love, if it will have us back.

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    No only that, the ole' lady is a thing of timeless beauty.

    ....and we left her for this fat porpoise?

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Despite a bit of partisan back-biting, this is as close to everyone agreeing as I've ever seen on DP. I bet there is some fascinating pork and tax exemptions in there and one thing both sides are united on is screwing the rest of us.
    NO doubt there always is pork. And part of the pork is the subsidies we give to big energy.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    The extended tax cuts would have cost just 250bil.

    So why not extend those instead of giving 600+ bil dollars to a part of government that doesn't ask for it.

    Congressmen are the dumbest animals on the planet.

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Tell me how much defense spending should they cut?
    The GAO has said for the last 40 years that the DOD (not necessarily military) could get a 30% cut with no effect on troops or logistics or effectiveness.

    Of course you will probably disagree because the GAO is a liberal rag or something.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The extended tax cuts would have cost just 250bil.

    So why not extend those instead of giving 600+ bil dollars to a part of government that doesn't ask for it.

    Congressmen are the dumbest animals on the planet.
    Taxes are already cut, and are not spending. Outlays will not change whether the tax rates go up or stay down. This defense bill is additional outlays.

    You might also say NOT raising taxes by 1 trillion COSTS 1 trillion. But thats misleading as well. Lowering taxes doesnt cost the treasury. Spending costs the treasury.

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