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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Well let me tell you, wind and solar is no substitute for oil, I am all for green but green that will get us to a new horizon. Wind and solar is not it. We need a real substitute for oil, not some fake crap that makes people feel all warm and fuzzy. All our electrical plants are fueled by coal or natural gas and we have a thousand years of supply. No oil is used to fire our electrical plants. Further we have all the electricity we need, there has never been a shortage. So having wind and solar make more electricity and being funded by tax dollars is insane. If we want to put money into green then put it in research to come up with a real substitute for oil.
    There are so many things wrong with your post it hurts.

    All our electrical plants are certainly not coal and natural gas. Do you think we build those hydroelectric dams for show? We have power of operational nuclear reactors and in isolated cold weather ares diesel generators are the norm. Not to mention that solar and wind really are being used in real people's houses.

    Also millions of homes on the east coast use heating oil or gas for heat, and quite a few are using kerosene as well. So oil is being used in plenty of areas electricity could replace.

    And there has never been an electrical shortage? What are you 12? Do you not remember the brownouts and blackouts in California and the northeast less than 10 years ago during the summer heatwave? There are areas were electricity must be conserved during the summer or all the air conditioning units will use up more power than is available and cause power failures.

    And if you are so concerned about tax dollars, they go to oil too. There is almost nothing around that doesnt get a government subsidy one way or another.

    Solar, hydroelectric, geothermal, wind and nuclear power are being used as alternatives to fossil fuels all over the world you can whine about it. It these technologies prove themselves everyday and I don't see you developing alternatives.

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Well let me tell you, wind and solar is no substitute for oil, I am all for green but green that will get us to a new horizon. Wind and solar is not it. We need a real substitute for oil, not some fake crap that makes people feel all warm and fuzzy. All our electrical plants are fueled by coal or natural gas and we have a thousand years of supply.
    i seriously doubt it. the population grows, needs increase, and developing countries form new middle classes which purchase first world comforts and transportation. even if we did have that much, the environmental consequences of putting that much carbon into the atmosphere would have serious consequences. we need to develop another strategy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    No oil is used to fire our electrical plants. Further we have all the electricity we need, there has never been a shortage. So having wind and solar make more electricity and being funded by tax dollars is insane. If we want to put money into green then put it in research to come up with a real substitute for oil.
    there has never been a shortage? i'm not sure how you can argue that. our electrical grid is having difficulty keeping up with current demands (brown outs); it's easy to imagine that increased population / demand will stress it even further.

    put simply, energy is a national security priority, and it needs to be addressed as such.

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    "88.5 Billion" for the war in Afghanistan.

    Maybe one of you rabid Obama lovers can explain that?

    Bring those guys home and put them on the U.S./Mexican border.

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    put simply, energy is a national security priority, and it needs to be addressed as such.
    It has already has been addressed now, we have a thousand yrs of coal and natural gas to fire our power plants. Solar and wind does not save one drop of oil. Period
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    The progressive liberals want us to use wind power for our naval vessels. Oh, wait...
    It worked for well for centuries until we fell hopelessly in love with fossil fuels. Fossil fuels, however, were but a fleeting affair. We know, one day, they will walk out and leave us high and dry. Maybe its time to go back to our sure and steady love, if it will have us back.

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Despite a bit of partisan back-biting, this is as close to everyone agreeing as I've ever seen on DP. I bet there is some fascinating pork and tax exemptions in there and one thing both sides are united on is screwing the rest of us.

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    It worked for well for centuries until we fell hopelessly in love with fossil fuels. Fossil fuels, however, will only leave us high and dry. Maybe its time to go back to our sure and steady love, if it will have us back.

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    Yeah, and it took 3 months to cross the Atlantic. Can't wait to get back to those days.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Despite a bit of partisan back-biting, this is as close to everyone agreeing as I've ever seen on DP. I bet there is some fascinating pork and tax exemptions in there and one thing both sides are united on is screwing the rest of us.
    Tax exemptions? No, but there is a shiney new online sales tax buried in it. Now we know why the Dems jumped all over it; they never saw a tax they didn't like.

    Online sales tax to be added to defense authorization bill | The Daily Caller
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Isnt this proof that congress has no interest in cutting spending? Even the democrats, who always list defense as the first thing to be cut, voted unanimously to INCREASE defense spending at the very same moment a discussion is going on about the huge deficit and debt.
    Tell me how much defense spending should they cut?
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    This bill I can't support. It allows for "a ban on same-sex ceremonies on military bases and language that says military chaplains canít be punished for opposing same-sex marriage," continues sanctions against Iran, and allows for Gitmo to continue to be opened. While it changes the indefinite detention regarding the NDAA, it still doesn't change the fact that the President can still assassinate American citizens.
    What law says the President can assassinate American citizens?
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