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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Don't forget Both Panetta and Dempsey Warned Obama and the Democrats about Cutting Defense. They said it would be a threat to the Country, evidenced.....

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta warned senators Tuesday that they can’t expect to fix the nation’s financial problems on the back of the Pentagon.

    Panetta, a former budget chief and House member, said Congress should focus on new taxes and entitlement reform to lower the budget deficit, and said additional defense cuts will endanger the nation’s security.

    “You can’t meet the challenge that you’re facing in this country by continuing to go back at discretionary spending,” Panetta told senators at Tuesday’s Senate Budget Committee hearing.

    “That’s less than a third of federal spending,” he said. “If you’re not dealing with the two-thirds that is entitlement spending, if you’re not dealing with revenues, and you keep going back to the same place, frankly you’re not going to make it, and you’re going to hurt this country’s security,” Panetta said.

    While Panetta has offered similar warnings in the past, his lecture on Tuesday was delivered in unusually blunt language to Congress. And while Panetta’s appearance in the Senate Budget Committee was rare for a Defense secretary, it was not an unfamiliar setting for the former budget chief who served under President Clinton.

    Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey have said repeatedly that the military cannot withstand an additional $500 billion in cuts to defense spending on top of the $487 billion that is currently being reduced over the next decade. The additional cuts are set to take effect in January 2013 through sequestration, which was triggered by the supercommittee’s failure to reach a deal to cut annual deficits.

    Panetta has called the sequestration cuts taking a “meat-ax” to the military budget, and said Tuesday it was “designed as a gun to the head.”

    Dempsey said “we would not any longer be a global power” if sequestration takes effect......snip~

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    Told them in the Senate budget hearing in Feb of this year. Then Clinton told Obama the Same thing. That's all it took, so you know they were going to Ride lock Stock and barrel with it. Notice even Panetta told them until they hit Entitlements. Aint happening. Any Reason Obama can't Figure that part out yet?

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They will start measuring it relative to GDP.
    I meant popularity rating.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    That's an interesting point. Most if not all in Congress make $250K or more a year, I would bet they have exempted themselves.

    I'm thinking the logical solution is for the people to start stealing from the government to suppliment their income. Maybe jack a few military vehicles to cut up fro scrap. Just imagine how much chain link fence surrounds a military base. Then there are (or all there?) those FEMA camps people keep sending me emails about...
    I was talking about thier popularity rating./
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Using solar to power a home frees up oil which can then be made in to gasoline to power a car. Once again, Logic 101.
    We used to use bunker oil (used to be used in ships as well) to generate electricity, about 20% IIRC, back in the Carter days, but he started a movement to reduce that. Now probably around 1% of our electricity comes from burning oil...
    So making more electricity using wind and solar really does very little toward saving oil....
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Um.... when you are using wind and solar, you are not using oil. -Logic 101
    Windmills turn, and they have bearings. If you do not grease or oil the bearings, your wind power won't last very long even if the wind does blow. Besides, you'll have to fight the Fish & Wildlife Service to put those windmills up: migratory birds make use of the wind patterns, and they sometimes bump into windmills. Same sort of problem with solar: it disturbs the lizards and snakes, which are much more important to the environmentalists than mere people.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Which they are already doing with the Navy. Also it is costing more to convert systems over.
    The progressive liberals want us to use wind power for our naval vessels. Oh, wait...
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    The progressive liberals want us to use wind power for our naval vessels. Oh, wait...
    Alternative fuels......Changing out the systems is causing the higher amounts while trying to still maintain operations. Well.....they don't want to use Rockets to get to Outer Space anymore. Just sayin!

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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Alternative fuels......Changing out the systems is causing the higher amounts while trying to still maintain operations. Well.....they don't want to use Rockets to get to Outer Space anymore. Just sayin!
    Agreed. Some of the posters here seem to have managed to get to outer space with their theories...
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Isnt this proof that congress has no interest in cutting spending? Even the democrats, who always list defense as the first thing to be cut, voted unanimously to INCREASE defense spending at the very same moment a discussion is going on about the huge deficit and debt.
    Hopefully this gets shot down.
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    Re: Senate passes $631B defense policy bill 98-0

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    a key priority, which will require spending cuts and tax increases. as for wind and solar, I understand and disagree with the "only oil forever" / "get a horse" position.
    Well let me tell you, wind and solar is no substitute for oil, I am all for green but green that will get us to a new horizon. Wind and solar is not it. We need a real substitute for oil, not some fake crap that makes people feel all warm and fuzzy. All our electrical plants are fueled by coal or natural gas and we have a thousand years of supply. No oil is used to fire our electrical plants. Further we have all the electricity we need, there has never been a shortage. So having wind and solar make more electricity and being funded by tax dollars is insane. If we want to put money into green then put it in research to come up with a real substitute for oil.
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