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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    How sad.

    Hard to believe people would refuse the gifts right under their noses.
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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What if the parents deliberately withheld food, from their child because they believed God would ensure their child wouldn't starve to death?
    What if the parents left their child in the middle of the busy highway because they believed God would ensure their child's safety?
    What if the parents threw their child in tiger exhibit at the zoo because they believed God would ensure their child's safety?
    Only the first one is arguably a comparable situation because it was a passive act. The other two would be affirmative acts and therefore a different analysis. As for the first one, I am unaware of that being a part of religious practice.

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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    When the Godless side of the aisle rails against Darwinism, and the pro-abortion side of the aisle suddenly rails against parental rights, I LOL at their silly hypocrisy.
    are you one that seeks medical care for your child when he/she is sick or do you just pray away the disease?

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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Ah. A totally irrelevant off-topic response. Well argued.
    When it comes to the issue of rights, it is exactly a comparable situation. If society believes a parent has a duty to their child, then how could one have the complete opposite duty to them when they are unborn? It is a matter of rights, specific constitutional rights regarding the freedom of religion to be exact. I don't agree with the practice, but they certainly have the right to practice their faith. If their faith prevents them from seeking medical intervention for a third party, then that is their right IMHO.

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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    This is one of those issues where, no matter how it's decided in statute, someone loses their constitutional freedoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    When it comes to the issue of rights, it is exactly a comparable situation. If society believes a parent has a duty to their child, then how could one have the complete opposite duty to them when they are unborn?
    Because roughly half the country, and the current legal framework reject your notion of rights for the unborn. /Thread jacking.

    Stay on topic, or you will be ignored by me .

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    It is a matter of rights, specific constitutional rights regarding the freedom of religion to be exact. I don't agree with the practice, but they certainly have the right to practice their faith. If their faith prevents them from seeking medical intervention for a third party, then that is their right IMHO.
    No it bloody isn't. Their child is not an independent third party, their child is their legal responsibility. Failing to protect the interests of their child can very well be criminal, which is why some child abuse can stem from a failure to act rather than affirmative action (hence the analogy to starving a child). Furthermore, all constitutional rights, including those stemming from the free expression clause of the first amendment are contingent, not absolute. To the extent that your right to worship as you choose conflicts with a compelling state interest (in this case, preventing the needless death of a minor) your right is trumped by that state interest.

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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    are you one that seeks medical care for your child when he/she is sick or do you just pray away the disease?
    I seek medical attention, but that does not prevent me from defending the rights of those who do not. The child died a natural death from a disease.

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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Because roughly half the country, and the current legal framework reject your notion of rights for the unborn. /Thread jacking.

    Stay on topic, or you will be ignored by me .



    No it bloody isn't. Their child is not an independent third party, their child is their legal responsibility. Failing to protect the interests of their child can very well be criminal, which is why some child abuse can stem from a failure to act rather than affirmative action (hence the analogy to starving a child). Furthermore, all constitutional rights, including those stemming from the free expression clause of the first amendment are contingent, not absolute. To the extent that your right to worship as you choose conflicts with a compelling state interest (in this case, preventing the needless death of a minor) your right is trumped by that state interest.
    What makes you think your attention matters to me or that you get to dictate my analysis? I stated what I believe and if you disagree that is your right, but appeasing you is not my obligation. Have a Blessed Day.

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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post

    Im sorry, but a child health trumps a silly religous belief. Especially when the disease is treatable.
    Unf---ing real!

    This kind of nonsense should not be allowed to happen.


    MADISON, Wis. (AP) A couple who prayed while their daughter slowly died of diabetes will try Tuesday to persuade the state Supreme Court to overturn their homicide convictions, arguing state law protects them from prosecution.
    The case presents charged questions for the court about where religious freedom ends. The justices for the first time will have to weigh whether the state's faith-healing exemptions protect parents from criminal liability if their choices lead to a child's death.

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    I thought they were protected. Christian scientists have been letting their kids die for quite some time now. It's not new and I thought they mostly got away with it.
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    Re: Lawyers to ask Wisconsin court to rule in prayer death

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    What makes you think your attention matters to me or that you get to dictate my analysis? I stated what I believe and if you disagree that is your right, but appeasing you is not my obligation. Have a Blessed Day.
    Appeasing me is certainly not your obligation. Nor is it your obligation to make a cogent argument. I see you've exercized your right to do neither. Good for you.

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