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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the dems want to continually isolate the upper level tax payers so each time the dems want to pander to the masses, they demand more and more taxes on that two percent

    if the deficit really is that bad EVERYONE should pay more taxes

    That is the plan that Romney/Ryan put forward. Apparently, the majority of middle class feels like they have been getting the short end of stick by giving bigger tax cuts to the rich in hopes it would trickle down. Recession and unemployment, when we were promised more jobs for tax cuts for the rich, kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which would matter if revenue increases actually motivated the parasites known as democratic politicians Since class warfare and pandering to envy is what actually motivates Obama and his toadies in the Congress, this plan will never be supported since it doesn't slake the hatred of the industrious by the failures
    Industrious? surely you jest......
    what did the uber rich MAKE in the last 5 years?
    tell me the IDLE RICH aren't just as much parasites as the IDLE POOR....

    as for revenue, we can do it the way Mexico does it....every time they want more tax income, they jack up the price of gasoline...
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is the plan that Romney/Ryan put forward. Apparently, the majority of middle class feels like they have been getting the short end of stick by giving bigger tax cuts to the rich in hopes it would trickle down. Recession and unemployment, when we were promised more jobs for tax cuts for the rich, kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
    there is no plan to give the rich or anyone else a tax break. why cannot you actually respond to the points I made

    why should only 2% get a tax increase if the deficit is everyone's problem?

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Industrious? surely you jest......
    what did the uber rich MAKE in the last 5 years?
    tell me the IDLE RICH aren't just as much parasites as the IDLE POOR....

    as for revenue, we can do it the way Mexico does it....every time they want more tax income, they jack up the price of gasoline...
    stop the nonsense-we are talking about the top 2% not the Idle rich. I don't know what that means-all the rich people I know work hard.

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should most of the country not face higher taxes if the deficit is as bad as the congress claims it is

    or do you believe that the rich have a duty to pay more and more taxes everytime the rest of the country wants more handouts from the government

    you obviously believe that the majority of americans have no duty to do anything to help end the deficit

    Since the large majority of the nations wealth is now owned by the rich, it is hard to comprehend how the middle class could be squeezed any further to address the deficit. Since the wealthy have seen their fortunes grown at the expense of the middle class in this country it is only right that they should give up their 4% tax cut they have enjoyed longer than the temporary cut was intended to last.

    Or, they can commit political suicide by insisting that the middle class suffer further if the rich do not continue to get their 4% tax cut.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by RLWSNOOK View Post
    So we are still under going deflation? Why did QE3 which was put into place around September of 2012 go forward then...

    Federal Reserve launches QE3 - Sep. 13, 2012

    Ps CNN isn't a right wing website...

    And note there were more QE's than just the first one, QE1, QE2, Operation Twist, QE3... They keep on coming out with more and more..
    Well we are the fastest growing economy in the free world so Obama's and the Feds policies are working but I think you are premature about a full recovery. That will take a few more years.
    I like your optimism though. There is far to much doom talk on the right.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there is no plan to give the rich or anyone else a tax break. why cannot you actually respond to the points I made

    why should only 2% get a tax increase if the deficit is everyone's problem?
    LOL Romneys proposal cut the top tax rates from 35% to 25%. No amount of deduction killing would offset that 20% cut. He lost because of it too.

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Then why is it that if those tax cuts benefited the wealthy so much more than the middle class when they were enacted they will now HURT the middle class so much more than the wealthy if they expire? You can't have it both ways.


    You've listed the top 1%, the top 20%(of which the top 1% is included), the "middle" 20% and the "lower" 20%. That's a total of 60%. You're analysis is missing 40% somewhere. Oversight, or are you cherry picking data?


    The real comparison is pretty simple when talking about the middle class. Prior to the Bush tax cuts rates on people filing single were: 27K/yr to 65K/yr were taxed at 27.5%. 65K/yr to 135K/yr were taxed at 30.5% Today those making 35K/yr to 85K/yr are taxed at 25% and those making 85K/yr to 178K/yr are taxed at 28%. So basically, the "middle class" is looking at a 2.5% increase should the rates expire. Look, I'm not advocating letting the "rich" slide by here. All's I want is a fair discussion about this stuff without all of the spin.

    The real motive behind this is how it effects the "effective rate" a person pays. Lets use someone who is classified as "rich" who makes 500K/yr. Under the current system, the top rate of 35% is applied to any amount of income over $388,350. In this case the person would have $111,650 exposed to the top rate. If the Democrats get what they want, the tax rates on all money earned above 250K/yr would be subject to rates of 35.5% from 250K to 388K(if the tables are left intact) and 39.1% for everything over 388K. Under the new scenario this same person would have $138,000 of his income exposed to a rate .5% higher than it is currently and $112,000 exposed to a rate 4.1% higher than it is currently. Fully one half, or $250,000 will now be exposed to a tax rate higher than it is currently whereas, today, only $112,000 has exposure to rates this high. So there is definitely a "slight of hand" going on here and I'm sick and tired of these very legitimate concerns being downed out by a bunch of rhetorical nonsense.(not directed at you personally)
    If you can't understand a simple concept like raising taxes on those that spend all or nearly all they earn will cut their spending and slow the economy then there is no reason to debate anything more. Just ask the CBO, they calulated that ending the tax cuts for the top bracket would have minimal effect on the economy while ending the middle class tax cuts will likely put us into another recession. Why do YOU think they determined that?

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Well we are the fastest growing economy in the free world so Obama's and the Feds policies are working
    Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

    List of countries by real GDP growth rate (latest year) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rank Country
    1 Qatar 18.7
    2 Ghana 13.5
    3 Turkmenistan 9.9
    4 Iraq 9.6
    5 China 9.5
    6 Papua New Guinea 9
    7 Argentina 8.8
    8 Mongolia 8.5
    9 Turkey 8.5
    10 Sri Lanka 8.3
    11 Laos 8.3
    11 Eritrea 8.2
    12 Bhutan 8.1
    13 India 7.8
    14 Ethiopia 7.5
    15 Panama 7.4
    16 Timor-Leste 7.3
    17 Mozambique 7.2
    18 Afghanistan 7.1
    19 Equatorial Guinea 7.1
    20 Uzbekistan 7.1
    21 Kyrgyzstan 7
    22 Moldova 7
    23 Rwanda 7
    24 Liberia 6.9
    25 Nigeria 6.9
    26 Cambodia 6.7
    27 Zambia 6.7
    29 Chile 6.5
    30 Democratic Republic of the Congo 6.5
    31 Estonia 6.5
    32 Kazakhstan 6.5
    33 Maldives 6.5
    34 Saudi Arabia 6.5
    35 Indonesia 6.4
    36 Paraguay 6.4
    37 Uganda 6.4
    38 Bangladesh 6.3
    39 Botswana 6.2
    40 Peru 6.2
    41 Haiti 6.1
    42 Tanzania 6.1
    43 Hong Kong, China 6
    44 Lithuania 6
    45 Tajikistan 6
    46 Uruguay 6
    47 Zimbabwe 6
    48 Ecuador 5.8
    49 Vietnam 5.8
    50 Kuwait 5.7
    51 Solomon Islands 5.7
    52 Cape Verde 5.6
    53 Gabon 5.6
    54 Burma 5.5
    55 The Gambia 5.5
    56 Georgia 5.5
    57 Niger 5.5
    58 Guyana 5.3
    59 Kenya 5.3
    60 Kosovo 5.3
    61 Mali 5.3
    62 Singapore 5.3
    63 Lesotho 5.2
    64 Malaysia 5.2
    65 Taiwan 5.2
    66 Mauritania 5.1
    67 Sierra Leone 5.1
    68 Belarus 5
    69 Bolivia 5
    70 Republic of the Congo 5
    71 Sao Tome and Principe 5
    72 Seychelles 5
    73 Suriname 5
    74 Burkina Faso 4.9
    75 Colombia 4.9
    76 Djibouti 4.8
    77 Guinea-Bissau 4.8
    78 Israel 4.8
    79 Philippines 4.7
    80 Ukraine 4.7
    81 Armenia 4.6
    82 Malawi 4.6
    83 Morocco 4.6
    84 Dominican Republic 4.5
    85 Oman 4.4
    86 Sweden 4.4
    87 Russia 4.3
    88 Burundi 4.2
    89 Mauritius 4.2
    90 Central African Republic 4.1
    91 Costa Rica 4
    92 Guinea 4
    93 Latvia 4
    94 Nicaragua 4
    95 Senegal 4
    96 Mexico 3.9
    97 South Korea 3.9
    98 Benin 3.8
    99 Cameroon 3.8
    100 Poland 3.8
    101 Togo 3.8
    102 Vanuatu 3.8
    103 Angola 3.7
    — World average 3.7
    104 Luxembourg 3.6
    105 Namibia 3.6
    106 Honduras 3.5
    107 Nepal 3.5
    108 South Africa 3.4
    109 Austria 3.3
    110 Slovakia 3.3
    111 United Arab Emirates 3.3
    112 Kiribati 3
    113 Macedonia 3
    114 Algeria 2.9
    115 Brazil 2.8
    116 Brunei 2.8
    117 Guatemala 2.8
    118 Venezuela 2.8
    119 Finland 2.7
    120 Germany 2.7
    121 Albania 2.5
    122 Belize 2.5
    123 Chad 2.5
    124 Iran 2.5
    125 Jordan 2.5
    126 Malta 2.5
    127 Iceland 2.4
    128 Pakistan 2.4
    129 Serbia 2.3
    130 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2.2
    131 Bulgaria 2.2
    132 Canada 2.2
    133 Comoros 2.2
    134 Switzerland 2.1
    135 Antigua and Barbuda 2
    136 The Bahamas 2
    137 Belgium 2
    138 El Salvador 2
    139 New Zealand 2
    140 Saint Lucia 2
    141 Samoa 2
    142 Australia 1.8
    143 Barbados 1.8
    144 Czech Republic 1.8
    145 Hungary 1.8
    146 Montenegro 1.8
    147 France 1.7
    148 Norway 1.7
    149 United States 1.7
    150 European Union 1.6
    151 Netherlands 1.6
    152 Bahrain 1.5
    153 Denmark 1.5
    154 Fiji 1.5
    155 Jamaica 1.5
    156 Lebanon 1.5
    157 Romania 1.5
    158 Saint Kitts and Nevis 1.5
    159 Thailand 1.5
    160 Tonga 1.4
    161 Egypt 1.2
    162 Ireland 1.1
    163 Slovenia 1.1
    164 Trinidad and Tobago 1.1
    165 United Kingdom 1.1
    166 Madagascar 1
    167 Tuvalu 1
    166 Dominica 0.9
    169 Croatia 0.8
    170 San Marino 0.8
    171 Spain 0.7
    172 Italy 0.6
    173 Azerbaijan 0.2
    174 Cyprus 0
    175 Tunisia 0
    176 Sudan -0.2
    177 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines -0.4
    178 Japan -0.5
    179 Andorra -1.8
    180 Syria -2
    181 Swaziland -2.1
    182 Portugal -2.2
    183 Yemen -2.5
    184 Cote d'Ivoire -5.8
    185 Greece -6
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

    List of countries by real GDP growth rate (latest year) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rank Country
    1 Qatar 18.7
    2 Ghana 13.5
    3 Turkmenistan 9.9
    4 Iraq 9.6
    5 China 9.5
    6 Papua New Guinea 9
    7 Argentina 8.8
    8 Mongolia 8.5
    9 Turkey 8.5
    10 Sri Lanka 8.3
    11 Laos 8.3
    11 Eritrea 8.2
    12 Bhutan 8.1
    13 India 7.8
    14 Ethiopia 7.5
    15 Panama 7.4
    16 Timor-Leste 7.3
    17 Mozambique 7.2
    18 Afghanistan 7.1
    19 Equatorial Guinea 7.1
    20 Uzbekistan 7.1
    21 Kyrgyzstan 7
    22 Moldova 7
    23 Rwanda 7
    24 Liberia 6.9
    25 Nigeria 6.9
    26 Cambodia 6.7
    27 Zambia 6.7
    29 Chile 6.5
    30 Democratic Republic of the Congo 6.5
    31 Estonia 6.5
    32 Kazakhstan 6.5
    33 Maldives 6.5
    34 Saudi Arabia 6.5
    35 Indonesia 6.4
    36 Paraguay 6.4
    37 Uganda 6.4
    38 Bangladesh 6.3
    39 Botswana 6.2
    40 Peru 6.2
    41 Haiti 6.1
    42 Tanzania 6.1
    43 Hong Kong, China 6
    44 Lithuania 6
    45 Tajikistan 6
    46 Uruguay 6
    47 Zimbabwe 6
    48 Ecuador 5.8
    49 Vietnam 5.8
    50 Kuwait 5.7
    51 Solomon Islands 5.7
    52 Cape Verde 5.6
    53 Gabon 5.6
    54 Burma 5.5
    55 The Gambia 5.5
    56 Georgia 5.5
    57 Niger 5.5
    58 Guyana 5.3
    59 Kenya 5.3
    60 Kosovo 5.3
    61 Mali 5.3
    62 Singapore 5.3
    63 Lesotho 5.2
    64 Malaysia 5.2
    65 Taiwan 5.2
    66 Mauritania 5.1
    67 Sierra Leone 5.1
    68 Belarus 5
    69 Bolivia 5
    70 Republic of the Congo 5
    71 Sao Tome and Principe 5
    72 Seychelles 5
    73 Suriname 5
    74 Burkina Faso 4.9
    75 Colombia 4.9
    76 Djibouti 4.8
    77 Guinea-Bissau 4.8
    78 Israel 4.8
    79 Philippines 4.7
    80 Ukraine 4.7
    81 Armenia 4.6
    82 Malawi 4.6
    83 Morocco 4.6
    84 Dominican Republic 4.5
    85 Oman 4.4
    86 Sweden 4.4
    87 Russia 4.3
    88 Burundi 4.2
    89 Mauritius 4.2
    90 Central African Republic 4.1
    91 Costa Rica 4
    92 Guinea 4
    93 Latvia 4
    94 Nicaragua 4
    95 Senegal 4
    96 Mexico 3.9
    97 South Korea 3.9
    98 Benin 3.8
    99 Cameroon 3.8
    100 Poland 3.8
    101 Togo 3.8
    102 Vanuatu 3.8
    103 Angola 3.7
    — World average 3.7
    104 Luxembourg 3.6
    105 Namibia 3.6
    106 Honduras 3.5
    107 Nepal 3.5
    108 South Africa 3.4
    109 Austria 3.3
    110 Slovakia 3.3
    111 United Arab Emirates 3.3
    112 Kiribati 3
    113 Macedonia 3
    114 Algeria 2.9
    115 Brazil 2.8
    116 Brunei 2.8
    117 Guatemala 2.8
    118 Venezuela 2.8
    119 Finland 2.7
    120 Germany 2.7
    121 Albania 2.5
    122 Belize 2.5
    123 Chad 2.5
    124 Iran 2.5
    125 Jordan 2.5
    126 Malta 2.5
    127 Iceland 2.4
    128 Pakistan 2.4
    129 Serbia 2.3
    130 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2.2
    131 Bulgaria 2.2
    132 Canada 2.2
    133 Comoros 2.2
    134 Switzerland 2.1
    135 Antigua and Barbuda 2
    136 The Bahamas 2
    137 Belgium 2
    138 El Salvador 2
    139 New Zealand 2
    140 Saint Lucia 2
    141 Samoa 2
    142 Australia 1.8
    143 Barbados 1.8
    144 Czech Republic 1.8
    145 Hungary 1.8
    146 Montenegro 1.8
    147 France 1.7
    148 Norway 1.7
    149 United States 1.7
    150 European Union 1.6
    151 Netherlands 1.6
    152 Bahrain 1.5
    153 Denmark 1.5
    154 Fiji 1.5
    155 Jamaica 1.5
    156 Lebanon 1.5
    157 Romania 1.5
    158 Saint Kitts and Nevis 1.5
    159 Thailand 1.5
    160 Tonga 1.4
    161 Egypt 1.2
    162 Ireland 1.1
    163 Slovenia 1.1
    164 Trinidad and Tobago 1.1
    165 United Kingdom 1.1
    166 Madagascar 1
    167 Tuvalu 1
    166 Dominica 0.9
    169 Croatia 0.8
    170 San Marino 0.8
    171 Spain 0.7
    172 Italy 0.6
    173 Azerbaijan 0.2
    174 Cyprus 0
    175 Tunisia 0
    176 Sudan -0.2
    177 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines -0.4
    178 Japan -0.5
    179 Andorra -1.8
    180 Syria -2
    181 Swaziland -2.1
    182 Portugal -2.2
    183 Yemen -2.5
    184 Cote d'Ivoire -5.8
    185 Greece -6
    The latest numbers show a 2.7% growth rate for the U.S. . Now compare that to our trading partners in Europe or Japan. And please leave out 3rd world nations and communist dictatorships. What do you have left?

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