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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Romney proposed tax rate cuts with elimination of deductions to keep it revenue neutral. Thus, no promise to increase tax cuts for the wealthy.

    One side has fought to preserve tax cuts for the middle class, and the other side has fought to preserve tax cuts for EVERYONE. Youre just spinning now.
    Since AMT already phases out all top bracket deductions (except the charitable deduction and few minor ones), Romney's proposal was a sham. It reduced to giving rich people ANOTHER tax cut, and pretending to take away nonsexistent deductions.

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see, you hold Obama responsible for a war that he opposed and a majority of Democrats voted against, as well as the other spending bills and worst Recession since the Great Depression created under Bush. That helps explain your delusion that the Republicans are on the side of the working man.

    0 Democrats voted for the budget because they found out it was going to be filibustered. And 98% of small businesses are not affected by the tax proposal from the Democrats. As a matter of fact, Obama has given additional tax cuts and credits to small businesses.

    You have failed at convincing the middle class they should accept higher taxes and less benefits from the programs they have paid into in order for the wealthy to continue getting tax cuts that haven't created jobs. The tax cuts we gave them to create jobs were used to move jobs overseas. So, like we said during the election........

    Thanks but no thanks!
    Umm I said clearly that these things you attribute to bush add up to $2 trillion and the national debt went up from 10.5 trillion to 16.3 trillion... I thought you could do the math and figure out that 16.3-10.5 = 5.8T.. and Guess what 5.8T is bigger than 2 Trillion... meaning bush can only be blamed at most for 35% of the debt added under obama.

    As for the democrats not voting for the budget, do you know what a filibuster is? Republicans put this up and tried to get democrats to vote on it, because Obama's budget as he sent to congress was absurd... And they wanted to prove that democrats wouldn't even vote for the crap obama was sending them... And they didn't...

    This is a 0 sum game... If you give tax cuts to one side you have to pay for it with something else. The problem is the democrat's plan, the math doesn't add up, and they say well we will figure it out some day down the road... Yeah right, and I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.. We can give everyone and their mother a tax cut, but it has to be paid for... The democrats have not described ever how they plan on paying for the middle class tax cut, they just say lets get it done and we will figure it out later..> And then blame republicans for not wanting to help middle class...

    Edit: I missed the talking point about 98% of small businesses, yes I too can use talking points and tell you that of that 2% over 40% of Americans are employed by those companies... But these are just talking points, using statistics to better explain your point...
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because we had an election and the people have said they don't give a rat's ass about protecting the tax cuts for the wealthy.
    Then why did they elect Republicans?

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Then why did they elect Republicans?
    Only some states voted in Republicans. And if the Republicans don't go along with extending the middle class tax cuts, I bet they will lose the House as well in 2014.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Worth noting - that $800 Bn is the amount that the CBO said we would get from repealing the Bush tax cuts on upper income earners.

    which would matter if revenue increases actually motivated the parasites known as democratic politicians Since class warfare and pandering to envy is what actually motivates Obama and his toadies in the Congress, this plan will never be supported since it doesn't slake the hatred of the industrious by the failures

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only some states voted in Republicans. And if the Republicans don't go along with extending the middle class tax cuts, I bet they will lose the House as well in 2014.
    the dems want to continually isolate the upper level tax payers so each time the dems want to pander to the masses, they demand more and more taxes on that two percent

    if the deficit really is that bad EVERYONE should pay more taxes

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    the House should pass a bill extending the tax rates for EVERYONE. the dishonest dems claimed that these tax rates only benefitted the rich when they were enacted 10 years ago. Now the same dishonest parasites are claiming that these rates are good for most people (but not those who actually are paying most of the FIT).

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only some states voted in Republicans. And if the Republicans don't go along with extending the middle class tax cuts, I bet they will lose the House as well in 2014.
    Well when that happens, then you'll have a point. But until then, the people voted in Republicans to control taxes.

    Section. 7.

    All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives
    And congress, not Obama, to control spending and the making of laws, in the form of split ideologies.

    Section. 1.

    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States
    Sec 8

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by RLWSNOOK View Post
    Umm I said clearly that these things you attribute to bush add up to $2 trillion and the national debt went up from 10.5 trillion to 16.3 trillion... I thought you could do the math and figure out that 16.3-10.5 = 5.8T.. and Guess what 5.8T is bigger than 2 Trillion... meaning bush can only be blamed at most for 35% of the debt added under obama.
    And I'll say very clearly you are wrong that the tarp, the Iraq war, and the Recession only cost us $2 trillion dollars.

    As for the democrats not voting for the budget, do you know what a filibuster is? Republicans put this up and tried to get democrats to vote on it, because Obama's budget as he sent to congress was absurd... And they wanted to prove that democrats wouldn't even vote for the crap obama was sending them... And they didn't...

    This is a 0 sum game... If you give tax cuts to one side you have to pay for it with something else. The problem is the democrat's plan, the math doesn't add up, and they say well we will figure it out some day down the road... Yeah right, and I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.. We can give everyone and their mother a tax cut, but it has to be paid for... The democrats have not described ever how they plan on paying for the middle class tax cut, they just say lets get it done and we will figure it out later..> And then blame republicans for not wanting to help middle class...

    Edit: I missed the talking point about 98% of small businesses, yes I too can use talking points and tell you that of that 2% over 40% of Americans are employed by those companies... But these are just talking points, using statistics to better explain your point...
    What you leave out, and I'll credit you with just being unaware than trying to be deceptive, is that what received 0 votes by the Democrats in the Senate was the president's budget after amendment by the House GOP.

    Its a very simple choice the GOP has now. They can join the Democrats in extending the tax cuts for the middle class and argue about the tax cuts for the wealthy later. Or they can once again hold the middle class tax cuts hostage to the tax cuts for the wealthy.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    why should most of the country not face higher taxes if the deficit is as bad as the congress claims it is

    or do you believe that the rich have a duty to pay more and more taxes everytime the rest of the country wants more handouts from the government

    you obviously believe that the majority of americans have no duty to do anything to help end the deficit

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