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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Given the GOP offered up their budget from last year, we actually have a ton of details and CBO scores, much better than the Presidents vague offering.

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You know what would make that even better? if they slapped some tax increases onto the rich. Then we could actually have a real conservative budget instead of a pretend conservative budget which still spends lavishly and wastefully on the rich. hey, if we all have to buckle our belts and pay down our debt then the rich can tone down their spending too.
    The top 5% are already paying for the majority of the countries spending. What would satisfy you? The rich paying 75% of taxes? 90%?

    The federal govt spends 12k per person. How much should one person pay in taxes to cover that?

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    So...we Obama's proposal, in which he doubles the revenue increases he's previously called for and gives some vague lip service to unspecified spending cuts. Then we have the Republican's proposal that is, basically, what Obama wanted when he failed at negotiations the last time...and which is, to hear some of the reactions on this forum, DOA.

    Frankly, I'm becoming more and more in favor of just driving over the cliff.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So...we Obama's proposal, in which he doubles the revenue increases he's previously called for and gives some vague lip service to unspecified spending cuts. Then we have the Republican's proposal that is, basically, what Obama wanted when he failed at negotiations the last time...and which is, to hear some of the reactions on this forum, DOA.

    Frankly, I'm becoming more and more in favor of just driving over the cliff.
    The advantage of the Republican proposal is its already passed the house, plus reccomendations from the bipartisan committee that was set up by Obama. All we really need is for the Senate to take the House budget, amend it something more their liking and then have conference to work out the details, like they were supposed to do last year. The President doesnt even need to be involved since he has no appropriations powers. He would likely sign something passed by congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The advantage of the Republican proposal is its already passed the house, plus reccomendations from the bipartisan committee that was set up by Obama. All we really need is for the Senate to take the House budget, amend it something more their liking and then have conference to work out the details, like they were supposed to do last year. The President doesnt even need to be involved since he has no appropriations powers. He would likely sign something passed by congress.
    While I agree that the proper course would be as you suggest, I don't think we'll see any action or negotiation from the Senate. They've shown that they are only interested in parroting whatever Obama comes up with. Heck, I don't even think Obama talks to the Senate.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    I believe that the raising of the debt ceiling is a part of the current "cliff" negotiations. Maybe I'm wrong but is such a thing possible
    Quote Originally Posted by RLWSNOOK View Post
    I could be wrong, but aren't the debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff two different things? I know democrats want to lump the debt ceiling in with the fiscal cliff, but a deal could get done on the debt ceiling and not on the fiscal cliff (or the other way around)...
    IMHO, the 2 major parties are alike only in the end results but not in their attitude. Otherwise, why would people be so passionate about the "right" or "left"? Of course, I could be wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would disagree. I think that both parties are only degrees different to the right and left of center, with the Libertarian party and the Green party as the parties that are diametrically opposed. Since most of Americans prefer the center, it is little surprise to me they receive majority support.
    I still await your exampole of options. You keep saying there are many but I just asked for some examples and then you say there are many. Help me out, delineate those options I';m failing to see somehow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Except for all the third party options people forgo because they fear the other side...




    Quote Originally Posted by RLWSNOOK View Post
    I could be wrong, but aren't the debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff two different things? I know democrats want to lump the debt ceiling in with the fiscal cliff, but a deal could get done on the debt ceiling and not on the fiscal cliff (or the other way around)...
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would disagree. I think that both parties are only degrees different to the right and left of center, with the Libertarian party and the Green party as the parties that are diametrically opposed. Since most of Americans prefer the center, it is little surprise to me they receive majority support.
    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Except for all the third party options people forgo because they fear the other side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I still await your exampole of options. You keep saying there are many but I just asked for some examples and then you say there are many. Help me out, delineate those options I';m failing to see somehow.
    When you go to the voting booth, instead of selecting the "democrat" or the "republican," choose one of the other many options.

    Some include:
    Green Party
    Constitution Party
    Socialists of America
    Libertarian Party

    At least, those are the major alternatives.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I believe that the raising of the debt ceiling is a part of the current "cliff" negotiations. Maybe I'm wrong but is such a thing possible
    I'm 99.9% sure they are two different things. While that being said, they are part of the current negotiations. If that makes sense at all. The fiscal cliff is a result of our inability to come up with spending cuts and extra tax revenue the last time we had to raise the national debt ceiling. It just so happens that we've kicked the can so far down the road that we about the same time need to increase the debt ceiling again. Democrats want the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling talks to be combined as they will be able to get more of what they want that way, where as republicans do not want them to be combined. Remember last time we had debt ceiling talks the fiscal cliff came out as a worse case scenario, including them imho is like asking for more money from a bank, and at the same time telling the bank you don't want to come up with a way to pay for the last loan you took out from them...

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Sorry. We've been in miscommunication. I brought up the 3rd parties and I thought you dismissed them in favor of "other options". I think we've been agreeing all along.

    Maybe we're both full of crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    When you go to the voting booth, instead of selecting the "democrat" or the "republican," choose one of the other many options.

    Some include:
    Green Party
    Constitution Party
    Socialists of America
    Libertarian Party

    At least, those are the major alternatives.

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    When you go to the voting booth, instead of selecting the "democrat" or the "republican," choose one of the other many options.

    Some include:
    Green Party
    Constitution Party
    Socialists of America
    Libertarian Party

    At least, those are the major alternatives.
    Funny you should say that... As in CT

    Chris Murphy (democrat) ran both as democrat and "Working Families Party" (his name appeared twice)

    Linda Mcmahon ran as both a republican and an Independent. So one must be very careful if you think you are picking a different party as some times that is not the case...

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