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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...all the rich people I know work hard.

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    The rich can afford to pay more; the middle-class and the poor cannot.

    BTW, I find it amusing to see a lawyer call someone else a parasite.
    horsecrap. pure horsecrap

    and maybe if the middle class couldn't afford any more taxes at all they'd stop demanding so much government

    BTW I am a civil and labor defense attorney. I guard against parasites

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    you can disprove that about people I know when you have no clue who i am

    does your politics flow from a mistaken belief that you are more entitled to wealth than those who have it? its a constant disease with those who want people more successful than they are to be taxed more

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Since you think it is so easy, why don't you point out a free nation of comparable size with better than 2.7% growth in the 3rd quarter of 2012.

    Here are some examples that don't have near our growth. They are our major trading partners and the Eurozone alone is responsible for 60% of out exports of finished goods.

    You didn't say "of comparable size" -- you said "in the free world." (And what does "of comparable size" mean, anyway? There are about 4-5 countries in the entire world which are "of comparable size" in the various ways you can measure it, so if that's the extent to which you move your goalposts . . . )

    Here's the most recent data from each:

    GDP Annual Growth Rate | Country List

    You will find a number of the "free world" nations posting better than 2.7%.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by RLWSNOOK View Post
    You do understand the wars have been going on longer than 4 years... You must divide the cost over 10 years... and only count that for the debt added under Obama... I used 3 trillion which is far more than most estimates of the cost of war to date...

    Again I'm saying that you can claim up to 35 ish % not 18%... so I'm far more liberal than you are even wanting me to be... (however I don't think all 35% can be blamed I'm just going to the extreme to show you how your numbers don't add up)...

    But even if you remove that 2.675 trillion from the debt we have added of the $5.8 trillion, even if you add in an extra trillion wiggle room, obama has still overseen a HUGE increase in our national debt, which can not be attributed to anyone but himself and his inability to balance a budget...
    As I see it, most of deficit was due to decreased revenues due to the Recession, two unfunded wars, and increased health care costs. As the CBO and great majority of economists have stated, the recession would have been worse without the stimulus.

    So the President acted to address the major causes of our deficit. He acted to make the recession less severe, he ended the war the war in Iraq and is winding down the war in Afghanistan, and he acted to protect Americans from unaffordable health care costs.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The unnecessary war in Iraq is where a big chunk of our debt came from. Debt that has to be paid through taxpayer dollars, not to mention all the blood of civilians on both sides. Obama ended the GOP war in Iraq, despite protests from Romney, McCain and other from the right. That unnecessary war very negatively affected our debt
    I love how people conviently ignore the fact that the plans of the pull out from Iraq was set in motion by Bush (a positive) touting it as "Obama's pull out of Iraq" yet every single negative thing that they can think of (real or imagined) is still being touted as Bush's fault 4 years after Bush left the Presidency.
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As I see it, most of deficit was due to decreased revenues due to the Recession, two unfunded wars, and increased health care costs. As the CBO and great majority of economists have stated, the recession would have been worse without the stimulus.

    So the President acted to address the major causes of our deficit. He acted to make the recession less severe, he ended the war the war in Iraq and is winding down the war in Afghanistan, and he acted to protect Americans from unaffordable health care costs.
    I just added it all up for you... It's $2.675 Trillion for all of this re: "As I see it, most of deficit was due to decreased revenues due to the Recession, two unfunded wars, and increased health care costs. As the CBO and great majority of economists have stated, the recession would have been worse without the stimulus. "

    Your talking points won't help you when you can't figure out 5.8-2.675 = $3.125 Trillion

    I account for everything you just claimed was the reason we have the debt even gave sources, and it is verifiable... you neglected to mention how we got the other $3.125 trillion in debt which happens to be larger than the part you accounted for...

    Let me help you out, stop listening to stupid talking points, they are designed to be used on people who don't think for themselves... Accept reality... Obama has added $3.125 trillion in debt that was 100% his fault as not being able to balance a budget... You can check every economist, cbo study... And they will not be able to answer this for you...

    The problem is democrats are so use to being able to get away with this whole blaming others rather than accepting reality, they forgot to actually do something, and they bought their own BS so they were asleep at the wheel for the $3.125 Trillion... Hate to burst your bubble... But that's the fact, you can ignore reality, or you can accept reality...

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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by RLWSNOOK View Post
    I just added it all up for you... It's $2.675 Trillion for all of this re: "As I see it, most of deficit was due to decreased revenues due to the Recession, two unfunded wars, and increased health care costs. As the CBO and great majority of economists have stated, the recession would have been worse without the stimulus. "

    Your talking points won't help you when you can't figure out 5.8-2.675 = $3.125 Trillion

    I account for everything you just claimed was the reason we have the debt even gave sources, and it is verifiable... you neglected to mention how we got the other $3.125 trillion in debt which happens to be larger than the part you accounted for...

    Let me help you out, stop listening to stupid talking points, they are designed to be used on people who don't think for themselves... Accept reality... Obama has added $3.125 trillion in debt that was 100% his fault as not being able to balance a budget... You can check every economist, cbo study... And they will not be able to answer this for you...

    The problem is democrats are so use to being able to get away with this whole blaming others rather than accepting reality, they forgot to actually do something, and they bought their own BS so they were asleep at the wheel for the $3.125 Trillion... Hate to burst your bubble... But that's the fact, you can ignore reality, or you can accept reality...
    What did the president spend the 3 trillion on that you claim was unnecessary. What spending would you have cut that he didn't? And what would you have done to increase revenues?
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    Re: GOP makes $2.2 Trillion Counteroffer to Obama - includes revenue increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I love how people conviently ignore the fact that the plans of the pull out from Iraq was set in motion by Bush (a positive) touting it as "Obama's pull out of Iraq" yet every single negative thing that they can think of (real or imagined) is still being touted as Bush's fault 4 years after Bush left the Presidency.

    What I love is how people conveniently ignore the fact that the only viable alternative to the President said the withdrawal was rash, and how people ignore that the majority of Democrats voted against the war compared to the GOP of which almost every single member voted for the war.
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    No Doctor is legally obligated to accept Medicare rates. So, I'll find out the hard way what reality is. I believe that Medicare suffers mostly from the ABSENCE of "Death Panels" and the biggest investment is in the last month of life. This may ned to be re-examined. I know that sounds pretty cold but is it realistic to spend a million dollars giving Grandpa another 30 days? I've just ben through this with my own Father who got a new pacemaker when he was 99 and died at 100. I loved him dearly and in some ways appreciated the extra time but I saw him suffer in that last month and a heart attack would have been a mercy.

    Taxes will surely need to rise and at a certain wealth level and or income level, benefits will have to be removed. Just guessing of course but I bet you that Mitt Romney and Specklebang get identical SS checks. He needs it not at all and while I appreciate it, I could do with half of what I get (just as my ex and some of my tenants get). It's quite a conflict.

    Farm land sounds really good. If I didn't live in the desert, I'd probably take your advice. Locking in these ridiculously low interest rates is also a darn good idea.

    SS needs to be individulaized or at least the retirement age needs raising and the disability claims need tightening. Another Sacerd Cow unfortunately so don't look for a solutio anytime soon on this....


    Quote Originally Posted by RLWSNOOK View Post
    Yeah I'm sorta thinking homes are good investments these days, Locking in a 30 year around the 3% rate is not stupid to do... But, I tend to think Farm land is a bit better of an investment than homes or condos... people need food... If things go poorly, they print money we get inflation and food prices go up (farm land is worth more)... If things get better food prices go up due to growth, (farm land is worth more)... No matter what really happens I think that farm land is a win win solution..> I'd highly recommend looking into it. But again I'm still trying to figure out timing...



    Doctors will lose money seeing medicare patients if they make cuts like Obama says he wants to.. Sure these cuts are paid for... but there is no point to medicare if we don't pay doctors a fair wage, they shouldn't pay to work...

    As for how we get out of this mess, the thing is we need to restructure these programs so they are realistic... Social security is a retirement program, yet we don't invest the money that goes into it... Medicare 30 dollars is paid in and 100 dollars comes out..> We need to fix these two problems, it means either fewer benefits for the wealthy, or more taxes... But in terms of social security we could change the system, I'm not sure what the feasibility of changing medicare is...

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