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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    LOL....It cracks me up when libertarians get mad Republicans don't adopt their agenda. Like rushing off to join the 0.009 crowd is going to put Republicans over the top in CA.
    Yep, these idiots that think the GOP needs to be the "big tent" party should STFU.

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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Securing our border to prevent terrorists, criminals, smugglers and the like from entering the country undetected is now "unrealistic"?
    And you don't give that power to just ANYONE, especially someone who wears his racism on his sleeve. Again, Kudos to the GOP for rejecting him.
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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    So they want to keep a true conservative off the ballot?

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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Securing our border to prevent terrorists, criminals, smugglers and the like from entering the country undetected is now "unrealistic"?
    Realistic immigration reform would consist of a number of elements:

    1. A degree of forgiveness for the undocumented immigrants already in the U.S. that transforms them into taxpayers and legal guest workers.
    2. An expedited guest worker process.
    3. Improved border control to keep out actual criminals perhaps utilizing tools such as "e-verify".
    4. Incentives to encourage top-flight foreign students, particularly in fields with shortages of American workers, to remain in the U.S. with an expedited permanent residency and naturalization process.
    5. Possibly an agreement with Mexico to encourage bilateral cooperation on border control (such an agreement would likely require points #1 and #2 as it would need to be mutually advantageous to both the U.S. and Mexico).

    That's one sketch of a possible realistic approach to immigration policy. Other ideas exist.

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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Securing our border to prevent terrorists, criminals, smugglers and the like from entering the country undetected is now "unrealistic"?
    Only if you are a pro-illegal who wants Amnesty, the dream act or some other form of amnesty are those unrealistic. Personally I think an anti-illegal immigration candidate running in a pro-illegal state has about as much chance of winning as mayor of Sanfransicko trying to run in a conservative state.
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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Even Thomas Jefferson acknowledged the need for blood to flow so that causes might be advanced, liberty in his case.

    I would hazzard a guess that the average person's image of a militia member is about as accurate as his image of a terrorist. Bogeymen, employed to scare hell out of people, nothing more.

    H.L. Mencken wrote about it in the last century. He thought that part of the goal of politics was to keep the populace alarmed, thus clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

    Some terms scare some people, and vigilante is one. Vigilante may not be the most accurate term to describe what the militia spirit is, but it sure is helpful for propaganda purposes.

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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by evan83 View Post
    Jerry Brown will win re-election in a landslide, since California now leads the nation in job growth and the budget deficit is being reduced after the 8 years of disastrous GOP rule in that state.

    California will not return to failed GOP policies.
    Either this is meant as irony, or it is about a state called California somewhere in another dimension that shares only its name, but not its characteristics, with the one in this universe.
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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    I think its pretty sad you call yourself a conservative and buy into the lame stream media's definition of him; have you ever met him? How do you know he wears "racisim" on his sleeve just because he wants our nations border secure - that alone does not make anyone a racist.


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And you don't give that power to just ANYONE, especially someone who wears his racism on his sleeve. Again, Kudos to the GOP for rejecting him.

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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by evan83 View Post
    Jerry Brown will win re-election in a landslide, since California now leads the nation in job growth and the budget deficit is being reduced after the 8 years of disastrous GOP rule in that state.

    California will not return to failed GOP policies.
    You obviously dont live here in Cali do you? You might want to reevalueate your "facts".
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    Re: GOP group rejects Minuteman candidate

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Realistic immigration reform would consist of a number of elements:

    1. A degree of forgiveness for the undocumented immigrants already in the U.S. that transforms them into taxpayers and legal guest workers.
    2. An expedited guest worker process.
    3. Improved border control to keep out actual criminals perhaps utilizing tools such as "e-verify".
    4. Incentives to encourage top-flight foreign students, particularly in fields with shortages of American workers, to remain in the U.S. with an expedited permanent residency and naturalization process.
    5. Possibly an agreement with Mexico to encourage bilateral cooperation on border control (such an agreement would likely require points #1 and #2 as it would need to be mutually advantageous to both the U.S. and Mexico).

    That's one sketch of a possible realistic approach to immigration policy. Other ideas exist.
    Were not these exactly what was always proposed each time a previous "amnesty" was granted?

    1) That is pure amnesty BS, as it gives an advantage to those here illegally over those that remained in their country of origin. If anything, paying a fine of say $5K for each year they were illegally here will allow that individual to wait 2 years (outside the US) for permission to apply for legal re-entry into the USA. If you think, for one minute, that most illegals here will work as "guest workers" then you are mathmatically challenged, as there can be no need for 12 to 15 million "guest workers", when we have massive unemployment of U.S. citizens.

    2) Agree, as long as no illegal is granted "head of line" consideration.

    3) Absolutely required, simply for normal national security and law enforcement.

    4) Great idea [I]iff[I/] they are here legally, otherwise see #1. These are the "prime" immigration candidates, their is no shortage of unskilled/semi-skilled labor in the U.S. - 90% of this "problem" is the employer ignoring free market principles in setting wages.

    5) No way that Mexico should receicve any preference for "guest workers" again (for at least 20 years) - that simply encourages illegal entry and allows employers to pretend to use foreign "legal guest workers" to keep their U.S. wages down. There is no shortage of fruit/vegetable pickers in the U.S., there is an artificially low wage offered to them, usually expressed in the form of "piece rate", rather than as an hourly wage. Only about 3% of illegal labor is used in agriculture, but they get many of the headlines.

    No mention of serious fines for those that employ illegal labor - the biggest magnet program of all for continued labor abuse. I propose a citizen reward program (bounty) for tips leading to arrest/prosecution of those using illegal labor.
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