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Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

So all you have is to attack me personally. You know why? Because my comment was irrefutable.

Really? I've never compared Obama to Reagan, because Reagan wasn't that great of a president. I'm merely pointing out you say "libs and liberals" in every other sentence. It's really a bad habit of generalizing.
 
lol sawyer do us all a favor and change your political view to "conservative" it's quite apparent how much you hate liberals

The Middle can certainly dislike the libs. There are many rational people in the Middle.
 
The Middle can certainly dislike the libs. There are many rational people in the Middle.

yeah, sorry, I realized that too after I posted it :shrug:
however sawyer seems to lean conservative for the most part anyways
 
yeah, sorry, I realized that too after I posted it :shrug:
however sawyer seems to lean conservative for the most part anyways

There is no need to apologize, though the gesture is certainly generous of you. It seems we do
often deal in left versus right and ignore the middle.
 
I love it when you libs try to compare obama to people you hate like Reagan by saying obama is no worse.:mrgreen:
You've completely missed a number of points. First, all Presidents earn and take vacations. You can't criticize any of them merely for that. Second, if frequency were a problem, all of the most frequent Presidential vacationers have been Republicans with Bush-43 proudly leading the way. Third, if vacationing during hard economic times is a problem, you cannot mention Obama's few vacations taken during the recent crisis without noting the 18 trips to Santa Barbara that Reagan took during the course of that also staggering downturn.

By the way, how many days did the 20-day vacation end up being?
 
I hear Florida is nice this time of year, he could have shown just a little restraint in his choice of destinations in times like these. The rest of us sure as Hell are.

THE COST OF THE VACATION HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THE PLACE. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT HE'S THE PRESIDENT AND IT COSTS A TON OF MONEY FOR THE PRESIDENT TO TRAVEL.

Jesus. How many times can a person say it before these talk radio listening people can get it through their head?

You've completely missed a number of points. First, all Presidents earn and take vacations. You can't criticize any of them merely for that. Second, if frequency were a problem, all of the most frequent Presidential vacationers have been Republicans with Bush-43 proudly leading the way. Third, if vacationing during hard economic times is a problem, you cannot mention Obama's few vacations taken during the recent crisis without noting the 18 trips to Santa Barbara that Reagan took during the course of that also staggering downturn.

By the way, how many days did the 20-day vacation end up being?

It's unreal. No one harbors more pseudo-outrage than a bitter republican party.

The Middle can certainly dislike the libs. There are many rational people in the Middle.

LOL Grant. If a person were truly in "the middle", then that wouldn't be possible since he/she would hold some liberal views. Derrrrrrrrp.
 
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So all you have is to attack me personally. You know why? Because my comment was irrefutable.

Let me refute then. We don't compare Obama to Reagan because we hate Reagan and you don't. Its to show you your hypocrisy. I'm going to assume you liked Reagan. Seeing here that Reagan took vacationing time while the economy was in turmoil all the way out to California. Then again that isnt a big deal considering Reagan is from California. Nor is it a big deal that Obama went to where he was from.

The very fact that you refused to acknowlede this and instead insult liberals proves that our point is irrefutable not yours.
 
THE COST OF THE VACATION HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THE PLACE. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT HE'S THE PRESIDENT AND IT COSTS A TON OF MONEY FOR THE PRESIDENT TO TRAVEL.

So you are saying the cost of fuel for two 727 jets from DC to Hawaii and DC to Florida are no different. Think before you post.
 
Let me refute then. We don't compare Obama to Reagan because we hate Reagan and you don't. Its to show you your hypocrisy. I'm going to assume you liked Reagan. Seeing here that Reagan took vacationing time while the economy was in turmoil all the way out to California. Then again that isnt a big deal considering Reagan is from California. Nor is it a big deal that Obama went to where he was from.

The very fact that you refused to acknowlede this and instead insult liberals proves that our point is irrefutable not yours.

You libs are always saying "so what, Reagan-Bush did it too". As soon as you do that you admit obama- Clinton or whoever you are defending is just the same as the people you despise.
 
LOL Grant. If a person were truly in "the middle", then that wouldn't be possible since he/she would hold some liberal views. Derrrrrrrrp.

Certainly they might hold some liberal views, especially when liberal truly meant liberal.

But now that the liberals have adopted so many far left views the middle would shy away from most of them.
 
You libs are always saying "so what, Reagan-Bush did it too". As soon as you do that you admit obama- Clinton or whoever you are defending is just the same as the people you despise.

I don't dislike Reagan for taking a vacation to his home. I don't hate every fiber of Reagan's being so no it is not the same. I dislike Reagan for political not personal reasons.
 
Let me refute then. We don't compare Obama to Reagan because we hate Reagan and you don't. Its to show you your hypocrisy. I'm going to assume you liked Reagan. Seeing here that Reagan took vacationing time while the economy was in turmoil all the way out to California. Then again that isnt a big deal considering Reagan is from California. Nor is it a big deal that Obama went to where he was from.

Obama vacationed in Kenya?
 
I don't dislike Reagan for taking a vacation to his home. I don't hate every fiber of Reagan's being so no it is not the same. I dislike Reagan for political not personal reasons.

Interesting, I dislike obama for all of the above. Whether you agree with Reagan's politics or not he was a good man, I just can't say the same for obama or Clinton.
 
Interesting, I dislike obama for all of the above. Whether you agree with Reagan's politics or not he was a good man, I just can't say the same for obama or Clinton.

I would agree with with Bill Clinton's questionable Morals I have no doubt in my mind that he was a good president, while I feel Reagan wasn't.

Do you feel that reagan was wrong for vacationing in Santa Barbra during economic hard times as well then?
 
Whether you agree with Reagan's politics or not he was a good man...
The grandfatherly character that Reagan perfected as his on-camera Presidential personna did seem likable. That's about all many people really seem to recall of him though.
 
I would agree with with Bill Clinton's questionable Morals I have no doubt in my mind that he was a good president, while I feel Reagan wasn't.

Do you feel that reagan was wrong for vacationing in Santa Barbra during economic hard times as well then?

Going home and getting the Hell out of DC, working on your ranch cutting firewood, riding horses and clearing land is good for the soul of a president and centers him. Flying off to a luxury villa in Hawaii on a vacation that cost more than the average American earns in 20 years is an entirely different thing.
 
The grandfatherly character that Reagan perfected as his on-camera Presidential personna did seem likable. That's about all many people really seem to recall of him though.

At the time of Reagan I was a lib and found reasons to dislike him but with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight I see him as a good man that did a good job.
 
Going home and getting the Hell out of DC, working on your ranch cutting firewood, riding horses and clearing land is good for the soul of a president and centers him. Flying off to a luxury villa in Hawaii on a vacation that cost more than the average American earns in 20 years is an entirely different thing.

You're just being biased that is all there is to it. You automatically make these assumptions that Obama's vacation cost so much more than Reagan's when I don't believe either of us have even seen the numbers for Reagan's vacations. The cost comes from the fact that the president is traveling not because of the destination like so many people have said here before
 
You're just being biased that is all there is to it. You automatically make these assumptions that Obama's vacation cost so much more than Reagan's when I don't believe either of us have even seen the numbers for Reagan's vacations. The cost comes from the fact that the president is traveling not because of the destination like so many people have said here before

Executive Boeing 727-100 REW
Estimated Operating Costs

INDICATED DIRECT COSTS PER HOUR

Fuel 1,785.00
Maintenance Labor 262.58
Parts Airframe/Eng/Avion 126.59
Engine restoration 419.31
Thrust Reverser Overhaul 15.00
APU Overhaul 20.00
Misc. Exp. –Landing/Parking 50.70
-Crew Expenses 202.50
-Supplies/Catering 73.70
Total Direct Cost/Hour: $2,956.00

The distance from Washington, DC to Honolulu is 4835 miles


Do the math times 2, yup TWO jets for obama to go on his luxury vacation.


Actually do the math times 4, there and back.
 
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Executive Boeing 727-100 REW
Estimated Operating Costs

INDICATED DIRECT COSTS PER HOUR

Fuel 1,785.00
Maintenance Labor 262.58
Parts Airframe/Eng/Avion 126.59
Engine restoration 419.31
Thrust Reverser Overhaul 15.00
APU Overhaul 20.00
Misc. Exp. –Landing/Parking 50.70
-Crew Expenses 202.50
-Supplies/Catering 73.70
Total Direct Cost/Hour: $2,956.00

The distance from Washington, DC to Honolulu is 4835 miles


Do the math times 2, yup TWO jets for obama to go on his luxury vacation.


Actually do the math times 4, there and back.

Thank you, could I ask for a scource though?

Also no matter how you add this up for 20 days it doesnt add up to 4 million dollars. There has to be other expenses that you havent identified. Otherwise then this 4 million dollar price tag is just wrong.
 
Thank you, could I ask for a scource though?

Also no matter how you add this up for 20 days it doesnt add up to 4 million dollars. There has to be other expenses that you havent identified. Otherwise then this 4 million dollar price tag is just wrong.

I am speaking strictly of travel cost and obama traveling just about as far as he could on vacation instead of trying to show at least a little restraint in times like these, it's called leading by example and is part of his job or at least should be.

Executive Boeing 727
 
I am speaking strictly of travel cost and obama traveling just about as far as he could on vacation instead of trying to show at least a little restraint in times like these, it's called leading by example and is part of his job or at least should be.

Executive Boeing 727

Thank you again for the link

You can't blame Obama for being from Hawaii though. It's just where he was from and is also a favorite vacation destination.
 
It's hilarious how conservatives still think their trash Obama memes will work. America has moved on to economic recovery and with thte avoidance of the fiscal cliff (orchestrated by obstructionist conservatives), conservatives are no officially irrelevant to any substantial policy decisions.
 
At the time of Reagan I was a lib and found reasons to dislike him but with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight I see him as a good man that did a good job.
He did a horrible job. He took the tail end of an oil supply crisis and through his voodoo supply-side economics turned it into what was then the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. Unemployment was above 10% for ten straight months. Later came the 1987 stock market crash. He wasted billions (and that was a lot of money in those days) on his hapless Star Wars toy. He sold weapons to Iran and illegally used the proceeds to fund the operation of right-wing Central American death squads. He failed to do anything at all about the AIDS epidemic. In the wake of the Challenger disaster, he sent sensitive missile technology to China. He failed to notice that North Korea was building a major plutonium reactor. Despite all that famous free cheese, he dismantled the social safety net and crippled enviromental efforts. He counted ketchup as a vegetable for the school lunch program and thought trees and Mount St. Helen's created more pollution that American automobiles. If Nancy's astrologer hadn't happened to get a few things right now and then, there's no telling how much damage the man might have done.
 
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