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Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

Grant said:
He not only failed (if he was genuinely trying to right the situation) he made it much worse. He has put the country in a tailsping from which it might never recover.
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Not unexpected counter-factual rant and partisan emotionalism. The history-books version is that Bush made one huge colossal mess out of things and then Obama came along and got one thing after another set right again. As you know, there are 4+ years yet to tell in that latter part of the story. I'm sure you'll be looking forward to it.
 
He is the most remarkable of all US presidents. From a junior senator to a twp-term holder of the highest office on land.
 
TaraAnne said:
How so ? Anyone can say he dindt but you could be proven wrong. So how did he fail please explain your wisdom
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Unemployment remained higher that any of Bush years and only saw a dip around the holidays- number 1 fail

Did he really assist the most impacted? He gave away unemployment benefits and upped disability rolls, what did he do for the taxpayers, Nothing- number 2 -failed

Number 3- failed no explanation needed

Number 4- asphalt and concrete at all time lows- fail

Number 5- State and local budgets in the red - Fail
 
Rocketman said:
Unemployment remained higher that any of Bush years and only saw a dip around the holidays- number 1 fail

Did he really assist the most impacted? He gave away unemployment benefits and upped disability rolls, what did he do for the taxpayers, Nothing- number 2 -failed

Number 3- failed no explanation needed

Number 4- asphalt and concrete at all time lows- fail

Number 5- State and local budgets in the red - Fail
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Seems you only have your words! Umm according to J mac you are required to show proof! Sorry you have a problem take it up with him. Where is the beef?
 
TaraAnne said:
Seems you only have your words! Umm according to J mac you are required to show proof! Sorry you have a problem take it up with him. Where is the beef?
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The proof is there for anyone that isn't to lazy to see it. We understand your work ethic already.
 
Rocketman said:
The proof is there for anyone that isn't to lazy to see it. We understand your work ethic already.
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Sounds like you just have issues with the facts you tried to look up and your agenda doesnt fit them. Like the job growth. State and local budgets were in the red way before he got into office. I could go on but judging by your posts you really wont care either way.
 
TaraAnne said:
Sounds like you just have issues with the facts you tried to look up and your agenda doesnt fit them. Like the job growth. State and local budgets were in the red way before he got into office. I could go on but judging by your posts you really wont care either way.
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ANd they were worse after he had been in office as most economic indicators pointed out.
 
Rocketman said:
ANd they were worse after he had been in office as most economic indicators pointed out.
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Yeah yeah. What about after q1 of his first term (ie. after October 2009)?

It's been straight uphill since then and EVERYONE knows you can't blame a president for what happens before q1 of his/her first term. GL with that.
 
whysoserious said:
FYI, since this thread seems to have been derailed, here is a fun little tidbit:

Despite 'cliff,' preparations on for Obama Hawaii vacation - Washington Times


It loses a little bit of its glitz and glam though when you realize that the vacation doesn't really cost $4 mil.

LOL watch more Fox News.
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In a nation that borrows $4 billon daily that is peanuts, but then that is said of every single federal gov't expense, "paid for" with debt accrued in our names. Party while you can, mighty leader Obama, but pass the bill onto the ever diminishing portion of the population that can afford (and is asked) to pay taxes today. The saddest part of this nation is that nobody (in either major party) seems to care that what we the sheeple (and our spendthrift congress critters) consume today must eventually be paid for tomorrow (by the next generation?).
 
whysoserious said:
Yeah yeah. What about after q1 of his first term (ie. after October 2009)?

It's been straight uphill since then and EVERYONE knows you can't blame a president for what happens before q1 of his/her first term. GL with that.
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Food stamps and disability rolls have declined since Obama's first quarter, care to prove that? LOL
 
ttwtt78640 said:
In a nation that borrows $4 billon daily that is peanuts, but then that is said of every single federal gov't expense, "paid for" with debt accrued in our names. Party while you can, mighty leader Obama, but pass the bill onto the ever diminishing portion of the population that can afford (and is asked) to pay taxes today. The saddest part of this nation is that nobody (in either major party) seems to care that what we the sheeple (and our spendthrift congress critters) consume today must eventually be paid for tomorrow (by the next generation?).
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How is he partying? He's taking a regular vacation, it just costs a lot of money to move any president anywhere. It cost that much for Bush to fly AF1.

Military Pegs Hourly Air Force One Cost at $181G, as Obama Sets Travel Record | Fox News
The U.S. military has provided an updated estimate on that cost, first published by a taxpayer watchdog group and confirmed by FoxNews.com, and the number is staggering -- $181,757 per hour.
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FactCheck.org : The Traveling President
To put Obama's use of Air Force One into context, we also asked for travel data for his predecessor, President George W. Bush. Bush took 89 missions and 259 sorties in 2002, his second year as president, according to the airlift group. And in his first two years, Bush took 148 missions with 416 sorties, compared with 126 missions with 324 sorties for Obama over two years.
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Yeah, presidents cost money.
 
Rocketman said:
Food stamps and disability rolls have declined since Obama's first quarter, care to prove that? LOL
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Yep, food stamp usage is on the rise. That's a price we are paying for poor wages across the country and the lack of good jobs coming back.

Unfortunately, so far in this recovery, the vast majority of new jobs have been low wage.
 
whysoserious said:
Yep, food stamp usage is on the rise. That's a price we are paying for poor wages across the country and the lack of good jobs coming back.

Unfortunately, so far in this recovery, the vast majority of new jobs have been low wage.
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Which is exactly what Republicans want. They seem to love the idea that jobs over seas are paying lower so it should be accepted that the American worker works for less so the big boys can take all the profit. They should be wanting to expand these programs if they afre thinking that way yet they want those to. Why not just bring back the sweatshops better yet chaingangs.
 
whysoserious said:
Yep, food stamp usage is on the rise. That's a price we are paying for poor wages across the country and the lack of good jobs coming back.

Unfortunately, so far in this recovery, the vast majority of new jobs have been low wage.
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I am making more than I have ever made as many who really want work are. Am I in the career I went to school for, no. Do I get to live in the same location for every career choice? no

Those that are serious about working will find the work at the pay rates they need. Those that are not and have an easier path will take it.
 
Rocketman said:
I am making more than I have ever made as many who really want work are. Am I in the career I went to school for, no. Do I get to live in the same location for every career choice? no

Those that are serious about working will find the work at the pay rates they need. Those that are not and have an easier path will take it.
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Same here. What does that have to do with anything?
 
whysoserious said:
Same here. What does that have to do with anything?
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the jobs are out there, your excuse for low wages means more food stamps makes little to no sense
 
whysoserious said:
How is he partying? He's taking a regular vacation, it just costs a lot of money to move any president anywhere. It cost that much for Bush to fly AF1.

Military Pegs Hourly Air Force One Cost at $181G, as Obama Sets Travel Record | Fox News


FactCheck.org : The Traveling President


Yeah, presidents cost money.
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Clever to say how thrifty the Obama administration has been; note the difference in the annual average federal deficit (double from Bush under Obama) and federal spending as percentage of GDP (up 20% over that of Bush under Obama - difference between 2007 and 2009 - and maintianed in every following year of Obama). I never said that Obama spent more on travel, but that is a "side benefit" of playing president, the job of president is leading the running of the country, that is where Obama fails. Looking, sounding and acting like a leader is one thing; actually doing the leading, and getting positive results, is quite another.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Clever to say how thrifty the Obama administration has been; note the difference in the annual average federal deficit (double from Bush under Obama) and federal spending as percentage of GDP (up 20% over that of Bush under Obama - difference between 2007 and 2009 - and maintianed in every following year of Obama). I never said that Obama spent more on travel, but that is a "side benefit" of playing president, the job of president is leading the running of the country, that is where Obama fails. Looking, sounding and acting like a leader is one thing; actually doing the leading, and getting results, is quite another.
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Look, if you want to argue the debt, I am sure there are a million threads we can go toe to toe on. This is about how Obama is taking a 4 million dollar vacation, and I'm just trying to point out that this more conservative talk radio talking point bull****.
 
Rocketman said:
the jobs are out there, your excuse for low wages means more food stamps makes little to no sense
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What jobs? It's pretty much an accepted fact that most of the news jobs in the country are low-wage jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/business/majority-of-new-jobs-pay-low-wages-study-finds.html

I got lucky and found a good one. Apparently so did you. I guess the difference between you and I is that I am not so arrogant that it makes me think I'm better than someone who can't.
 
whysoserious said:
How is he partying? He's taking a regular vacation, it just costs a lot of money to move any president anywhere. It cost that much for Bush to fly AF1.

Military Pegs Hourly Air Force One Cost at $181G, as Obama Sets Travel Record | Fox News


FactCheck.org : The Traveling President


Yeah, presidents cost money.
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They can vacation at Camp David, like many presidential predecessors did, and the many employees in his entourage would have been closer to their families over the holidays.
 
whysoserious said:
What jobs? It's pretty much an accepted fact that most of the news jobs in the country are low-wage jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/business/majority-of-new-jobs-pay-low-wages-study-finds.html

I got lucky and found a good one. Apparently so did you. I guess the difference between you and I is that I am not so arrogant that it makes me think I'm better than someone who can't.
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New York Times- At least you admit to being brainwashed

There are safety jobs, environmental jobs, various engineering jobs, anyone that really wants one can find one
 
Rocketman said:
Unemployment remained higher that any of Bush years and only saw a dip around the holidays- number 1 fail
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MONTHLY JOB LOSSES
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By the way, as virtually all of the public and private sector analyses of ARRA concluded, there were more than three million jobs in the economy at the end of 2010 that would not have been there had it not been for the stimulus bill. At their peak, the 90,000 infrastructure projects alone were providing jobs and paychecks to more than 750,000 Americans.

Rocketman said:
Did he really assist the most impacted? He gave away unemployment benefits and upped disability rolls, what did he do for the taxpayers, Nothing- number 2 -failed
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Who do you think food stamp and COBRA benefits went to? Unemployment benefits are meanwhile set by the states. All Obama did was create and fund the federal tiers of emergency extended unemployment benefits.

Which standards for any federal disability program do you think were changed? Are you sure that the jobs disabled people had been doing weren't preferentially among those eliminated?

And of course 37% of ARRA -- more than $290 billion -- went to tax cuts, including about $240 billion that went directly to individuals.

Rocketman said:
Number 3- failed no explanation needed
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Yes, there is an explanation needed since some $26 billion went into science and health over two years. Maybe track down a few of those projects and report back on how they are doing.

Rocketman said:
Number 4- asphalt and concrete at all time lows- fail
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More than 90,000 infratsructure projects were completed providing more than 750,000 jobs at the peak. There were projects near you no matter where you live. Well, maybe not on the moon.

Rocketman said:
Number 5- State and local budgets in the red - Fail
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States received $140 billion in budget support. This was fast-acting pain relief and preserved the jobs of thousands while allowing key state services to continue. Had Republicans been a smarter bunch, they would have renewed a good part of this aid in 2011. Instead, their takeover of the House turned into its own little mini-recession.
 
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