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Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

Lots of obama worshipers here trying to excuse this vacation to Hawaii by obama by saying it is his home. His home is Chicago. Face facts kids, he is spending as much as humanly possible on this vacation , if he wanted to go "home" to vacation he would go to Chicago like Bush went to his ranch in Texas and Reagan went to his in Calif. Those were cheap vacations where the pres went home not to some high priced vacation resort.
 
DA60 said:
I said I wanted him to win - and he did. I NEVER said I voted for him.


I got what I wanted. He has and will undoubtedly continue to greatly help the precious metals markets.

That is good for me.

But he is (imo) a lousy POTUS - that is bad for America.


So actually, in a way, you are right in that I am a bit conflicted.

I wanted a man to win who I believed was terrible for America just so it would help me.

But 'wanted' is not 'voted'.
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I couldnt remember if you said voted or wanted him. That's why i said both.

You feel he's lousy for the US, but here you are profiting off a president that "supposedly" making your gold value rise.

So, to clear this up:

Would you rather have a conservative/republican president that supposedly will get the country back on it's feet while making the price of gold drop?
or
would you rather have Obama in office?

it would seem to me that you have no right to bitch about obama, because after all, he's supposedly making you wealthy.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Lots of obama worshipers here trying to excuse this vacation to Hawaii by obama by saying it is his home. His home is Chicago. Face facts kids, he is spending as much as humanly possible on this vacation , if he wanted to go "home" to vacation he would go to Chicago like Bush went to his ranch in Texas and Reagan went to his in Calif. Those were cheap vacations where the pres went home not to some high priced vacation resort.
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The Bush's are from New England and have a vacation home in Kennebunkport.
 
madman said:
I couldnt remember if you said voted or wanted him. That's why i said both.

You feel he's lousy for the US, but here you are profiting off a president that "supposedly" making your gold value rise.

So, to clear this up:

Would you rather have a conservative/republican president that supposedly will get the country back on it's feet while making the price of gold drop?
or
would you rather have Obama in office?
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That is a good question.

Actually, I do not think Romney would have helped the country much either - and he would have been pretty good for gold as well - just not quite as good as Obama.

I only believe someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson would be good for America.

And if they got elected I would immediately sell my precious metals and invest in something else.

Though...they both seem to like the gold standard...so maybe I would have held off on that.

Not sure.

Naaaa....I probably would have sold.

it would seem to me that you have no right to bitch about Obama, because after all, he's supposedly making you wealthy.
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So, as long as someone is - inadvertently btw - making me money I have no right to complain about ANYTHING they do?

Totally disagree with you there.

So, if your boss pays you great, then you cannot complain if he starts hitting on your wife when you invite him for dinner?

Ahhh, no.


I will complain about anyone I want - no matter what they do or do not do for me.

And I hope everyone else treats me the same way.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Run Forest Run! If you can't even answer a simply question of what I haven't answered, keep running.

Not my problem :)
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So this is your level of maturity? Noted (though I cannot say I am surprised).


Actually, for the record, I changed the post you quoted. It now reads:

'I am sure you can find them.

Sorry, but I honestly do not have nearly enough respect for you or your debating 'techniques' to waste my time on you in this thread any further...especially if you refuse to answer simple questions.

I am beginning to think you are just a bored troll.

No offense intended.


Have a nice day.'


Have a nice day.
 
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Who the hell gets 20 days off in a row anyway? Besides congress and the President? :)


Tim-
 
Tonawanda said:
He's burned out from all that campaigning. Based on his latest fiscal cliff proposal, he might as well leave now. Joe can take care of things when he's gone.
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TheNextEra said:
Did you say the same thing about Bush and his vacations?
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Tonawanda said:
The point of my post:

1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

Finally, are you ever going to let go of the Bush excuse card. It's tantamount to saying Bush was a AH so Obama can be one too. So, Obama can do anything Bush did, and its OK. The last time I had to explain that this was ridicules reasoning, my kids were about 10 years old.
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TheNextEra said:
It's funny how conservatives had NO problem with Bush going on vacations, even voted for him twice, but are now complaining about Obama. Your faux outrage is noted and quite amusing though. Please continue on your littel "outrage" at Obama, it's making my day laughing at you and the others complaining.
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Very eloquent, but no substance. Let's try this one last time. Are you going to respond to these points or just make another eloquent post.

1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

If you chose not to respond to my points, I understand.

roughdraft274 said:
People aren't pointing out what Bush did to say it's ok for Obama. There pointing it out to display the hypocrisy of those on the right.

If you bitch about the costs of having Obama president but didn't care about the costs of any other president, you are a hypocrite and can't be taken seriously. This whole thread could make for a case study in conservative delusion.
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No bitching about the costs, I coudn't care less how much his vacations cost. Let me restate the same points in my post that you obviously haven't read or addressed.

1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

3 points, any answers?
 
rocket88 said:
To be fair, Bush went to his own home in Texas. Some of the cost probably wasn't as much.
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To be fair it was much much much more. First off he was there so often, that the SS had to upgrade the security for the whole freaking farm, and the White House had to install state of the art communications gear and so on, because as everyone knows, the President can never be out of communication... and so on and so on. His Texas ranch was the White House 2.0.
 
Why do you take it too the extremes? I recall the left blasting GW for spending time at his ranch, and the time spent that didn't cost
us nearly as much as obama's time on the golf course.


TheNextEra said:
So you believe a president (even a GOP president) should NEVER go on vacation then right?
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DA60 said:
Why can he not do all this after 2016 and give the $4 million he saves to the poor?.
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Because that would be wealth redistribution and it's socialism.
 
TheNextEra said:
Most of that cost is what it would cost him to visit ANYWHERE else in the U.S. The restrictions, secret-service, etc. are all costs that happen no matter where the president is.

Don't like a president visiting his place of birth, don't vote for someone from Hawaii. Funny though, I can't seem to find any posts from you complaining about GOP president travels and costs, I wonder why that is?
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I hear flights to Kenya are cheaper. :lol:
 
Maybe I'm just jaded after all these years but every single time a president goes on vacation we have to do this partisan song and dance.

It's a monument to hyperbolic stupidity and futility.
 
Presidents need vacations as much (and perhaps more) than anybody else, and presidential vacations are costly. I'm sure if the fiscal cliff drama continues up until the last minute the trip will be canceled.

I would happily allow 0.00000001% (or whatever the exact percentage is) of my tax contribution to go toward a presidential vacation, on the understanding that an emotionally and mentally stable president is better than one that hasn't had a break in a long time.
 
Fisher said:
He is from Hawaii. If he were from Baltimore, it would be cheaper. The President has no control over what the Secret Service does to protect him and that comes at a cost. Sure he could go to Camp David, but he isn't from Camp David. He could eat off the dollar menu and fire the WH kitchen staff too and save us some money. He could grow pot on the south lawn and make us some money. Not everything in the universe is about the cost-benefit.
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It should be when youre borrowing 1 trillion a year. The President could choose to lead by example. Instead his example is wasting money.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Maybe I'm just jaded after all these years but every single time a president goes on vacation we have to do this partisan song and dance.

It's a monument to hyperbolic stupidity and futility.
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Again, when the govt isnt broke, then the argument might be valid. As Obama would say 'lots of people would love to have a job. much less take a vacation from it. dont boo, vote!'
 
Oh God, the silly Obama-vacation meme continues?

How many vacations did Bush take and what did they cost? Come on, conservatives, you can say it.
 
I'm more concerned about the 20 day vacation.
 
DA60 said:
Why can he not do all this after 2016 and give the $4 million he saves to the poor?

What, living in the White House is too confining?

Awwww - poor baby.

Why doesn't he go to a shelter in D.C. and complain to the poor there that living in the W.H. is too confining for him?

Selfish jerk.
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:naughty Not so fast buddy......


Those who criticize the cost of Obama’s Christmas vacation don’t want you to know that George W. Bush spent at least $20 million taxpayer dollars just on flights to his ranch in Crawford.

The right wing has been outraged at the four million dollar plus price tag for Obama’s family Christmas vacation, and they constantly hold George W. Bush up as an example of how thrifty a president should be when going on vacation.

The problem is that W. wasn’t thrifty. He was the most expensive vacation president in US history. Not only did Bush spend more days on vacation than any other president, but he used Air Force One more often while on vacation than any other president.

During Bush’s two terms, the cost of operating Air Force One ranged from $56,800 to $68,000 an hour. Bush used Air Force One 77 times to go to his ranch in Crawford, TX. Using the low end cost of $56,800, Media Matters calculated that each trip to Crawford cost taxpayers $259,687 each time, and $20 million total for Bush’s ranch flights.

If cost of the flight was the only expense involved to taxpayers Bush’s vacations would still seem rather economical, but there is more, much more. Unlike the Obama’s $4 million Christmas vacation price tag, which includes the cost of everything from transportation to accommodations for the First Family, the White House staff, and the White House press corps, Bush’s numbers only include the cost of flying the president to Crawford. The cost of transporting and accommodating staff, media, friends and family is not included in Bush’s vacation numbers.
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Bush Spent 5 Times More On Flights To Texas Than Obama
 
A president takes a vacation! Amazing!

Glad Reagan didn't take any vacations.
 
TheNextEra said:
Most of that cost is what it would cost him to visit ANYWHERE else in the U.S. The restrictions, secret-service, etc. are all costs that happen no matter where the president is.

Don't like a president visiting his place of birth, don't vote for someone from Hawaii. Funny though, I can't seem to find any posts from you complaining about GOP president travels and costs, I wonder why that is?
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Common sense just isn't all that common.
 
Hicup said:
Who the hell gets 20 days off in a row anyway? Besides congress and the President? :)


Tim-
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Honestly. Do you actually believe the POTUS ever really gets a day off?

You righties sure are desperate.
 
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