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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And I answered you already, much of that money is costs that are ALREADY incurred EVEN WITH the president at the White House.

    So again, I will ask YOU, do you think a president should NEVER go on vacation?
    No you did not answer my question.

    I asked you what happens if the POTUS does not use all of the travel/security budget allocated to him? Prove to me why it cannot be allocated elsewhere?


    And no, I do not think a POTUS should ever go on vacations that cost taxpayers millions of dollars per trip during their presidency.

    He cannot vacation near to home?

    He has just GOT to fly 4800 miles or he will drop dead from exhaustion?

    Please start answering my questions or stop asking me yours.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No you did not answer my question.

    I asked you what happens if the POTUS does not use all of the travel/security budget allocated to him? Prove to me why it cannot be allocated elsewhere?


    And no, I do not think a POTUS should ever go on vacations that cost taxpayers millions of dollars per trip during their presidency.

    He cannot vacation near to home?

    He has just GOT to fly 4800 miles or he will drop dead from exhaustion?

    Please start answering my questions or stop asking me yours.
    If you understood how federal money worked, you would know why you cannot simply allocate it elsewhere.

    It is foolish to think a president should NEVER go on vacation. Cost is incurred no matter whether the president leaves the White House or not.

    He is visiting his home state like previous presidents have done in the past. Sorry you don't like it, get over it.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    He is a selfish jerk and he ran against another selfish jerk so I don't know why all the surprise here. Obama is on his way up to rich, his competitor had hundreds of millions and never did a major act of charity (giving to you church don't count) or he would have gotten my vote.

    All these guys want to be President cause its a life of luxury. Of course you are jealous. Me too.
    You are smarter than this....Romney only gave to his church? not likely true.....
    Of course, if you can prove it, I will agree with you.....but I think you can't...
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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    He is a selfish jerk and he ran against another selfish jerk so I don't know why all the surprise here. Obama is on his way up to rich, his competitor had hundreds of millions and never did a major act of charity (giving to you church don't count) or he would have gotten my vote.

    All these guys want to be President cause its a life of luxury. Of course you are jealous. Me too.
    Speak for yourself.

    I am not jealous. I would not want his job nor would I want to take a $4 million dollar trip at taxpayer's expense.
    Especially when so many troops I ordered overseas are suffering/dying/away from their loved ones for undeclared wars or the nation's food stamp usage has risen 40% since I took over OR that unemployment is mired near/above 8%. Or if the nation is facing a fiscal cliff because I refuse to cut spending enough.


    Now, someone like Warren Buffett or some other stinking rich guy? Now THAT is someone I envy (well, I envy their wallet anyway).

    Then I could take a $4 million dollar vacations with only my own money that I earned.
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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No you did not answer my question.

    I asked you what happens if the POTUS does not use all of the travel/security budget allocated to him? Prove to me why it cannot be allocated elsewhere?


    And no, I do not think a POTUS should ever go on vacations that cost taxpayers millions of dollars per trip during their presidency.

    He cannot vacation near to home?

    He has just GOT to fly 4800 miles or he will drop dead from exhaustion?

    Please start answering my questions or stop asking me yours.
    He is from Hawaii. If he were from Baltimore, it would be cheaper. The President has no control over what the Secret Service does to protect him and that comes at a cost. Sure he could go to Camp David, but he isn't from Camp David. He could eat off the dollar menu and fire the WH kitchen staff too and save us some money. He could grow pot on the south lawn and make us some money. Not everything in the universe is about the cost-benefit.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Much of the costs is incurred by sercret service, Airforce one on standby, etc. no matter whether the president leaves the White House. The president DOES pay for hotel costs, food, etc. but since his salary is payed for by the government (i.e. taxpayer money), people also add that costs to "taxpayer" incurred expenses.
    Is there a breakdown of the costs? I would find that quite interesting.
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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    I can't even prove that I'm alive, let alone what other people do. I read all the sources you do. Nowhere could I find a Gates, Buffet or Soros like act of generosity. Accumulating HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars is a tell in itself. I wanted to like Romney but I mostly saw a guy buying the Presidency to give himself a further tax cut.

    I knew I would NOT vote for Obama. He's a terrible manager. But I look for certain characteristics in people and Romney flunked mt caring and generosity test. Feel free to prove otherwise - I've been wrong a few times in my life. I've been challenged on this topic before and nobody gave me anything but generic "oooh, he's Mr. Wonderful" responses.

    When you have that kind of money, you should be known for charity. As a percentage, I've given far more to charity than he has. And of course, it's just my OPINION.

    That was a big deal to me because I think Romney has MUCH better management skills than Obama. I have my own judgements, sorry if you view other things as being more important.

    I voted for Johnson BTW.


    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    You are smarter than this....Romney only gave to his church? not likely true.....
    Of course, if you can prove it, I will agree with you.....but I think you can't...

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Did you say the same thing about Bush and his vacations?
    The point of my post:

    1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
    2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

    And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

    Finally, are you ever going to let go of the Bush excuse card. It's tantamount to saying Bush was a AH so Obama can be one too. So, Obama can do anything Bush did, and its OK. The last time I had to explain that this was ridicules reasoning, my kids were about 10 years old.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I can't even prove that I'm alive, let alone what other people do. I read all the sources you do. Nowhere could I find a Gates, Buffet or Soros like act of generosity. Accumulating HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars is a tell in itself. I wanted to like Romney but I mostly saw a guy buying the Presidency to give himself a further tax cut.

    I knew I would NOT vote for Obama. He's a terrible manager. But I look for certain characteristics in people and Romney flunked mt caring and generosity test. Feel free to prove otherwise - I've been wrong a few times in my life. I've been challenged on this topic before and nobody gave me anything but generic "oooh, he's Mr. Wonderful" responses.

    When you have that kind of money, you should be known for charity. As a percentage, I've given far more to charity than he has. And of course, it's just my OPINION.

    That was a big deal to me because I think Romney has MUCH better management skills than Obama. I have my own judgements, sorry if you view other things as being more important.

    I voted for Johnson BTW.
    your mindset on this issue is not likely reversible....
    If you make a claim, you should be willing to back it up with some facts, or at least some evidence, Making a claim and inviting others to prove you wrong is lazy. There is currently a thread on that....
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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonawanda View Post
    The point of my post:

    1. Benghazi crisis, he went to a fundraiser instead of returning to the White House.
    2. East coast disaster, he went there to rev-up his campaign.

    And, in the current situation, I think announcing his big vacations plans sends a bad signal.

    Finally, are you ever going to let go of the Bush excuse card. It's tantamount to saying Bush was a AH so Obama can be one too. So, Obama can do anything Bush did, and its OK. The last time I had to explain that this was ridicules reasoning, my kids were about 10 years old.
    People aren't pointing out what Bush did to say it's ok for Obama. There pointing it out to display the hypocrisy of those on the right.

    If you bitch about the costs of having Obama president but didn't care about the costs of any other president, you are a hypocrite and can't be taken seriously. This whole thread could make for a case study in conservative delusion.
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