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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And liberal hypocrisy. Where oh where was this righteous indignation when the same BS was getting peddled out about Bush as well?
    If you mean re vacations, as any competent source would confirm, Bush really was the most absent President in any of our lifetimes. Otherwise, there really was a war in which people really were dying. There really was unemployment and declining real incomes for the majority. There really was torture and abuse and illegal surveillance and lying, and on and on and on. It's hard to stack complaints about things that were actually happening up against phony whines over too much vacation, a topic that is part of a far broader but just as vapid field.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    While I would commend the notion of forgoing a regular, typical, presidential vacation as a symbolic gesture...
    He already did that in August. Has it mattered any?

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Yeah, this is what happens to one right-winger after another when the rubber meets the road. They rail about the need for spending cuts, but after they get past their meaningless rites of wailing over waste, fraud, and abuse that doesn't exist, they can't find anything to cut that they could make an actual argument for, so they wimp out. They don't seem to understand that the share of our GDP spent through the public sector is so much smaller than what it is in other prosperous countries because spending here has been kept pretty close to a minimum of necessity.
    Actually the United States is the brokest country in the history of the world. Other countries have tried to spend their way to prosperity but without success though maybe, this time, with the Great Helmsman at the rudder, it just might work.

    That $1,000,000,000,000 in accumulated debt each year will disappear quickly once The Great One gets his 2% tax increase.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually the United States is the brokest country in the history of the world. Other countries have tried to spend their way to prosperity but without success though maybe, this time, with the Great Helmsman at the rudder, it just might work.

    That $1,000,000,000,000 in accumulated debt each year will disappear quickly once The Great One gets his 2% tax increase.
    So Clinton is your idol then. He was the only modern President to balance a budget.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So Clinton is your idol then. He was the only modern President to balance a budget.
    No, no, Obama is in a league of his own and the majority of Americans aren't interested in a balanced budget or lowering the debt anyway.

    Any man with no experience whatsoever in finance or management, who was unremarkable in everything he did, who can lie to the people repeatedly and pile up trillions of debt in the process and still get re-elected, is a phenomenon for the ages. I doubt there has been anything like this in any modern democracy, ever. No one comes close to this guy.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually the United States is the brokest country in the history of the world.
    A country that produces 22% of everything produced anywhere in the world is not broke. It's merely the limits of your own understanding that lead you to believe such things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Other countries have tried to spend their way to prosperity but without success though maybe, this time, with the Great Helmsman at the rudder, it just might work.
    Dude, even with the recent spike in emergency support payments to those most affected by the Great Bush Recession, overall spending is on par with historical standards. The green line below is actual spending in FY 1960 stated in constant 2005 dollars and then expanded at a rate of 3.25% per year to allow for population and productivity growth. The red line is actual spending in constant 2005 dollars over the past fifty years plus.

    three_lines_second_1960-2011.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That $1,000,000,000,000 in accumulated debt each year will disappear quickly once The Great One gets his 2% tax increase.
    We haven't paid off the public debt since 1836, and no one has any plans to do so now. We in fact won't ever pay off our public debt and neither will any other prosperous economy that is carrying debt which is all of them. National governments are not like households you know. Whole dfferent ballgame. When people tell you that the federal government should have to budget just like you do, they are lying to you. That's the only word for it. What they should tell you is that the federal government should have to budget just the way you would if you were immortal and had both taxing authority and currency-issuing authority. Do you think any of those factors would make a difference in your personal approach to finance?

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So Clinton is your idol then. He was the only modern President to balance a budget.
    Clinton was a fiscal moderate and so is Obama. The difference is that Bush-41 left a small mess for Clinton and Bush-43 left a huge mess for Obama.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, no, Obama is in a league of his own and the majority of Americans aren't interested in a balanced budget or lowering the debt anyway.
    Polls say they are interested in something better than the Great Bush Recession. They want a government that works, not one that has been drowned in a bathtub.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Any man with no experience whatsoever in finance or management, who was unremarkable in everything he did, who can lie to the people repeatedly and pile up trillions of debt in the process and still get re-elected, is a phenomenon for the ages.
    You only demean yourself in demeaning his personal record, and maybe consider what the Republican alternatives were. My friends, those two would have made Jethro Clampett look attractive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt there has been anything like this in any modern democracy, ever. No one comes close to this guy.
    Too much Karl Rove and Dick Morris. Time to unplug those coffee pots. They just make you dumber every day that you drink from them.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    A country that produces 22% of everything produced anywhere in the world is not broke. It's merely the limits of your own understanding that lead you to believe such things.


    Dude, even with the recent spike in emergency support payments to those most affected by the Great Bush Recession, overall spending is on par with historical standards. The green line below is actual spending in FY 1960 stated in constant 2005 dollars and then expanded at a rate of 3.25% per year to allow for population and productivity growth. The red line is actual spending in constant 2005 dollars over the past fifty years plus.

    three_lines_second_1960-2011.jpg


    We haven't paid off the public debt since 1836, and no one has any plans to do so now. We in fact won't ever pay off our public debt and neither will any other prosperous economy that is carrying debt which is all of them. National governments are not like households you know. Whole dfferent ballgame. When people tell you that the federal government should have to budget just like you do, they are lying to you. That's the only word for it. What they should tell you is that the federal government should have to budget just the way you would if you were immortal and had both taxing authority and currency-issuing authority. Do you think any of those factors would make a difference in your personal approach to finance?
    I didn't realize Obama was doing such a great job. $1,000,000,000,000 plus in annual debt is no big deal then. it's normal. So is the interest on that debt normal.

    Borrowing money and printing money seems like a good way to continued growth and prosperity for everyone then. It's amazing that no one else has thought of this before..

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Polls say they are interested in something better than the Great Bush Recession. They want a government that works, not one that has been drowned in a bathtub.
    Well this government should be working. It's certainly big enough and the American people can certainly afford big government if they continue to borrow and print money as they need it.

    You only demean yourself in demeaning his personal record, and maybe consider what the Republican alternatives were. My friends, those two would have made Jethro Clampett look attractive.
    Demean Obama's personal record? Did I lie about his not having any managerial or financial experience before the American people, in their eagerness for Hope and Change, choose hiom to be their President? My only question would be Why?
    Too much Karl Rove and Dick Morris. Time to unplug those coffee pots. They just make you dumber every day that you drink from them.
    What is it with Leftists and the ad homs? Do you really think you are clever, or that what you say could possibly bother me? Try to do better, okay?

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Clinton was a fiscal moderate and so is Obama. The difference is that Bush-41 left a small mess for Clinton and Bush-43 left a huge mess for Obama.
    yes, Several years of Obama and its still the fault of George Bush. Rinse and repeat.

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