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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    These aren't seventh grade science projects they are working on. PPACA, the farm bill, the energy bill, the highway bill...these are broad-ranging programs. And bills in their final form are written in legislative language. Difficult to read even for the practiced. I kind of think that the problem is that our citizens just don't know enough about how their government works, so they make completely wrong assumptions and then complain when poltiicians aren't behaving in the ways they have assumed that they should.
    It is a well documented exercise for congressmen to slide in extra provisions, kickbacks, and pork in between pages of the bill length. That's what needs to be cut out.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinal fang View Post
    no, they didn't. Reagan spent quite a lot of time in santa barbara just as nixon had spent quite a lot of time in san clemente. And none of it raised an eyebrow. It was just a part of business as usual until the rabid-right got fired up after 1994.


    What non-defense spending should be cut? And don't give me that pork, waste, and fat crap. Give me some examples of agencies and programs where you think cuts could and should be made. Here, i'll give you some fries with that. These are all the spending items from the fy 2011 budget that totalled at least $25 billion...

    Social security old age & survivors ($601 billion)
    military operations & maintenance ($318 billion)
    medicare part-a ($261 billion)
    medicaid grants to states ($260 billion)
    net interest payments ($251 billion)
    medicare part-b ($241 billion)
    military personnel ($154 billion)
    military procurement ($137 billion)
    social security disability ($131 billion)
    unemployment insurance ($83 billion)
    food stamps ($80 billion)
    military r&d ($77 billion)
    federal retirement ($73 billion)
    medicare part-d ($67 billion)
    supplemental security income ($53 billion)
    veterans pensions ($53 billion)
    military retirement ($52 billion)
    earned income tax credit ($47 billion)
    va hospital care ($46 billion)
    federal highway programs ($43 billion)
    student financial assistance ($38 billion)
    national institutes of health ($32 bilion)
    section 8 housing assistance ($29 billion)
    placeholder for ppaca startup costs ($25 billion)
    all of the above.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    It is a well documented exercise for congressmen to slide in extra provisions, kickbacks, and pork in between pages of the bill length. That's what needs to be cut out.
    No, it isn't. The process of crafting legislation in committee is well known to all who take part ion it. Amendments by the score are proposed, debated, and voted upon. The only extra provision an appropriator could "slip in" would be an earmark. These are a necessary and highly efficient means of getting needed small potatos funding to important projects and there is nothing at all worng with them so long as they are subject to plenty of sunshine. What you want to call pork meanwhile amounts to getting something that is going to be done anyway done in your district instead of the other guy's. And isn't one of the reasons you elect a representative to promote the interests of your district and of those who live there? Bringing home one's share of the bacon would appear to be a part of what a Congressperson is paid to do.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    all of the above.
    Very thoughtful. You may want to make a note of the fact that it is only 7,628 miles from New York City to Mogadishu. There's a few stops, but you can do it in something over 30 hours.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Equal effort went into blaming Bush. Is that just because he's rich?
    No.. But wasn't Bush on vacation when he was warned about 9/11.. Didn't he go to a birthday party in California as New Orleans sank??

    Bush spent about a 3rd of his entire presidency on vacation.. Obama isn't even near that amount.. I just don't think anyone has any room to complain about Obama taking 20 days off.. Not to mention how much it costs.. Nobody complained about the countless times he want to the 'Western Whitehouse', or had it remodeled..

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    The righties don't actually need room to complain. They just do it anyway. He served overly expensive canapés when Republican leaders visited the White House. He returned the bust of Churchill that the British Embassy had lent to Bush. He did not appear to be wearing a flag lapel pin. He did appear to be ogling the derriere of a pretty girl at a G-8 summit. He replaced the carpet in the Oval Office. And of course, he was off on a $200 million per day trip to India. If they could think of a way to blame Obama for the sun's rising in the east, they'd complain about that too. They are all just a joke.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post

    Its the principle, that he refuses to pass any kind of serious spending cuts, and actually wants to continue to increase spending in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    What spending cut bills has he vetoed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post

    That is such a red herring its not even funny. He hasn't vetoed any because every bill thats reached his desk has increased spending. Because Democrats aren't serious about cutting non-defense spending.
    Red-herring??



    You said, "he refuses to pass any kind of serious spending cuts." Now you confess none have reached his desk. You're blaming him for not signing bills that aren't on his desk!




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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    all of the above.
    You'd cut VA hospital care????

    Damn, I hope you run for public office someday ... you'll be easy to beat.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You'd cut VA hospital care???? Damn, I hope you run for public office someday ... you'll be easy to beat.
    Yeah, this is what happens to one right-winger after another when the rubber meets the road. They rail about the need for spending cuts, but after they get past their meaningless rites of wailing over waste, fraud, and abuse that doesn't exist, they can't find anything to cut that they could make an actual argument for, so they wimp out. They don't seem to understand that the share of our GDP spent through the public sector is so much smaller than what it is in other prosperous countries because spending here has been kept pretty close to a minimum of necessity.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    People aren't pointing out what Bush did to say it's ok for Obama. There pointing it out to display the hypocrisy of those on the right.

    If you bitch about the costs of having Obama president but didn't care about the costs of any other president, you are a hypocrite and can't be taken seriously. This whole thread could make for a case study in conservative delusion.
    And liberal hypocrisy. Where oh where was this righteous indignation when the same BS was getting peddled out about Bush as well?

    It's not a case study on "conservative delusion". It's a case study on selective politics, that's not "conservative" or "liberal" in nature. Both sides have a majority stake in that concept.

    $4 million in the grand total is a drop in the bucket. Most of which is money that likely goes into ANY travel he takes. While I would commend the notion of forgoing a regular, typical, presidential vacation as a symbolic gesture I don't particularly feel that such a gesture is needed or worthy of condemnation if it doesn't occur.

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