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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The amount senators and congressmen make is obscene considering that many couldn't even find the time to read the healthcare bill that was passed.
    In terms of salary, they are rather easily the most underpaid executives in America. And as one might have learned back in the day of this particular right-wing red-herring, very few actual bills are read by any lawmaker. They are working 14-hour days and more as it is. Staff read the bills that a lawmaker hasn't him- or herself worked on, preparing appropriate oral and written briefs on what they do and why. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    In terms of salary, they are rather easily the most underpaid executives in America. And as one might have learned back in the day of this particular right-wing red-herring, very few actual bills are read by any lawmaker. They are working 14-hour days and more as it is. Staff read the bills that a lawmaker hasn't him- or herself worked on, preparing appropriate oral and written briefs on what they do and why. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
    Underpaid? Are you kidding me? Look at the package they get when they leave. As for working 14 hour days, puhlease. Look at the recess times they have, travel benefits, retirement, etc.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What spending cut bills has he vetoed?

    BTW, Reagan took a 25 day vacation. I don't recall anyone outraged over it like righties are feigning now.
    I wasn't alive then but I'm sure the lefties had a problem with it. But that isn't the point. The point is the that given the context it makes him sound like he thinks money grows on trees. Context.

    That is such a red herring its not even funny. He hasn't vetoed any because every bill thats reached his desk has increased spending. Because Democrats aren't serious about cutting non-defense spending. And if you listen to his rhetoric, it is quite obvious that his position is consistent with that premise.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    In terms of salary, they are rather easily the most underpaid executives in America. And as one might have learned back in the day of this particular right-wing red-herring, very few actual bills are read by any lawmaker. They are working 14-hour days and more as it is. Staff read the bills that a lawmaker hasn't him- or herself worked on, preparing appropriate oral and written briefs on what they do and why. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
    Then maybe our bills are TOO DAMN LONG.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    It is amazing the lengths that some people will go through to condemn our president.. Is it really because he is a democrat or is it because he is black..





    Presidential vacations: How does Obama compare? - CBS News

    So unless people are going to condemn the president that at this time in there presidency took 3 times more days off than Obama.. Then there really isn't much to say about Obama and his vacation.. Again, it is really sad the lengths people will go to smear this president.. When he is clearly proving to be the best and hardest workging president we have had in recent years..
    Equal effort went into blaming Bush. Is that just because he's rich?

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    In terms of salary, they are rather easily the most underpaid executives in America. And as one might have learned back in the day of this particular right-wing red-herring, very few actual bills are read by any lawmaker. They are working 14-hour days and more as it is. Staff read the bills that a lawmaker hasn't him- or herself worked on, preparing appropriate oral and written briefs on what they do and why. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
    But, there actual salary pales in comparison to how much money they make from insider trading, campaign contributitions, not to mention job offers after they "serve."

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Underpaid? Are you kidding me? Look at the package they get when they leave. As for working 14 hour days, puhlease. Look at the recess times they have, travel benefits, retirement, etc.
    You haven't done your homework. Congressional salary is $174,000 per year. There are strict limits on outside income. While in DC (an expensive area), you are supporting a second household. Tough commute from say Oregon as well. Congressmen often double- and triple-up in Capitol Hill rowhouses to save on costs. Some have been known to live in their offices while Congress is in session. Find top-level corporate executives who will work for and like that. 14-16 hour days are meanwhile the norm, and the actual name for what you call recesses is "district work periods". This is when they go home and do town halls and meet with civic and business leaders to learn what the problems are and what might be done about them. And then they do luncheons, parades, elementary school Q&A's, county fairs, supermarket openings, and all that other ceremonial stuff. And then they address some fund-raising dinner and pal around and glad-hand until they have to crash so they can get up early and do it all over again the next day. As for all those frilly perks, they have exactly the same choices in health and life insurance as any other federal employee. And that fabulous retirement system consists of Social Security, a tiny defined-benefit pension (typically at age 62 and funded by contributions of 1.3% of pay), plus whatever they can make out of a 401-k. Even for those who come from rather modest backgrounds, their years in Congress tend to be the "lean years" in terms of pay and perks over their lifetimes.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Then maybe our bills are TOO DAMN LONG.
    These aren't seventh grade science projects they are working on. PPACA, the farm bill, the energy bill, the highway bill...these are broad-ranging programs. And bills in their final form are written in legislative language. Difficult to read even for the practiced. I kind of think that the problem is that our citizens just don't know enough about how their government works, so they make completely wrong assumptions and then complain when poltiicians aren't behaving in the ways they have assumed that they should.

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I wasn't alive then but I'm sure the lefties had a problem with it.
    No, they didn't. Reagan spent quite a lot of time in Santa Barbara just as Nixon had spent quite a lot of time in San Clemente. And none of it raised an eyebrow. It was just a part of business as usual until the rabid-right got fired up after 1994.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That is such a red herring its not even funny. He hasn't vetoed any because every bill thats reached his desk has increased spending. Because Democrats aren't serious about cutting non-defense spending. And if you listen to his rhetoric, it is quite obvious that his position is consistent with that premise.
    What non-defense spending should be cut? And don't give me that pork, waste, and fat crap. Give me some examples of agencies and programs where you think cuts could and should be made. Here, I'll give you some fries with that. These are all the spending items from the FY 2011 budget that totalled at least $25 billion...

    Social Security old age & survivors ($601 billion)
    Military operations & maintenance ($318 billion)
    Medicare Part-A ($261 billion)
    Medicaid grants to states ($260 billion)
    Net interest payments ($251 billion)
    Medicare Part-B ($241 billion)
    Military personnel ($154 billion)
    Military procurement ($137 billion)
    Social Security disability ($131 billion)
    Unemployment insurance ($83 billion)
    Food stamps ($80 billion)
    Military R&D ($77 billion)
    Federal retirement ($73 billion)
    Medicare Part-D ($67 billion)
    Supplemental security income ($53 billion)
    Veterans pensions ($53 billion)
    Military retirement ($52 billion)
    Earned Income Tax Credit ($47 billion)
    VA hospital care ($46 billion)
    Federal highway programs ($43 billion)
    Student financial assistance ($38 billion)
    National Institutes of Health ($32 bilion)
    Section 8 housing assistance ($29 billion)
    Placeholder for PPACA startup costs ($25 billion)

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    Re: Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    But, there actual salary pales in comparison to how much money they make from insider trading, campaign contributitions, not to mention job offers after they "serve."
    Insider trading? Get out of the slums, and campaign funds have to be spent on campaigns. Many lawmakers do of course land lucrative deals after they leave Congress. Look at the package Jim DeMint will be receiving to be director of lying over at the Heritage Foundation. But the same is true for top legislative aides and executive branch employees. They too receive big step-ups in income when they return to the private sector. This is because they are all underpaid while they are in the public sector.

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