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Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

By the way, Air Force One is typically one or the other of a pair of highly modified Boeing 747's. And most Presidential trips (including this one) require an accompanying pair of C-17 transports.
 
Executive Boeing 727-100 REW
Estimated Operating Costs

INDICATED DIRECT COSTS PER HOUR

Fuel 1,785.00
Maintenance Labor 262.58
Parts Airframe/Eng/Avion 126.59
Engine restoration 419.31
Thrust Reverser Overhaul 15.00
APU Overhaul 20.00
Misc. Exp. –Landing/Parking 50.70
-Crew Expenses 202.50
-Supplies/Catering 73.70
Total Direct Cost/Hour: $2,956.00

The distance from Washington, DC to Honolulu is 4835 miles


Do the math times 2, yup TWO jets for obama to go on his luxury vacation.


Actually do the math times 4, there and back.
Ok, so I did the math. Comes to [roughly] $99,357 (assuming your numbers are accurate). So how on Earth do you figure this trip cost $4 million? Especially given that you attributed the bulk of the cost to just flying there and back?
 
Ok, so I did the math. Comes to [roughly] $99,357 (assuming your numbers are accurate). So how on Earth do you figure this trip cost $4 million? Especially given that you attributed the bulk of the cost to just flying there and back?

Math skill and Republicans do not go hand in hand they bitch about the debt and they are responcible for 11 trillion of it! So should we be that surprised they got this wrong!
 
Math skill and Republicans do not go hand in hand they bitch about the debt and they are responcible for 11 trillion of it! So should we be that surprised they got this wrong!

I really don't expect much from the person who even up until recently, was just soooo sure that Joe the Sheriff was going to prove [finally] that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.


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He did a horrible job. He took the tail end of an oil supply crisis and through his voodoo supply-side economics turned it into what was then the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. Unemployment was above 10% for ten straight months. Later came the 1987 stock market crash. He wasted billions (and that was a lot of money in those days) on his hapless Star Wars toy. He sold weapons to Iran and illegally used the proceeds to fund the operation of right-wing Central American death squads. He failed to do anything at all about the AIDS epidemic. In the wake of the Challenger disaster, he sent sensitive missile technology to China. He failed to notice that North Korea was building a major plutonium reactor. Despite all that famous free cheese, he dismantled the social safety net and crippled enviromental efforts. He counted ketchup as a vegetable for the school lunch program and thought trees and Mount St. Helen's created more pollution that American automobiles. If Nancy's astrologer hadn't happened to get a few things right now and then, there's no telling how much damage the man might have done.

I can't respond to all your charges so I will pick the low hanging fruit.



"Environmentalists hooted when Ronald Reagan claimed — wrongly — that trees produce more pollution than cars.
But right now, the biggest single source of air pollution in Washington isn't a power plant, pulp mill or anything else created by man.

It's a volcano.

Since Mount St. Helens started erupting in early October, it has been pumping out between 50 and 250 tons a day of sulfur dioxide, the lung-stinging gas that causes acid rain and contributes to haze.

Those emissions are so high that if the volcano was a new factory, it probably couldn't get a permit to operate, said Clint Bowman, an atmospheric physicist for the Washington Department of Ecology.

All of the state's industries combined produce about 120 tons a day of the noxious gas.

The volcano has even pulled ahead of the coal-fired power plant near Centralia that is normally the state's top air polluter. In the mid-1990s, when the facility's emission rate was about 200 tons a day, regulators pressed for $250 million in pollution controls to bring it down to today's level of 27 tons.

The Seattle Times: Local News: Mount St. Helens the state's No. 1 air polluter
 
Ok, so I did the math. Comes to [roughly] $99,357 (assuming your numbers are accurate). So how on Earth do you figure this trip cost $4 million? Especially given that you attributed the bulk of the cost to just flying there and back?

My comment was strictly on the fact that obama chose to go to Hawaii on vacation and how much that cost the taxpayer in flight cost vs going to Florida which would have shown at least some moderation not only in money spent but in "global warming" jet fuel being consumed. Like I said he does not lead by example and definitely does not "feel our pain". The overall cost of his vacation is in the article sited in the op.
 
Ok, so I did the math. Comes to [roughly] $99,357 (assuming your numbers are accurate). So how on Earth do you figure this trip cost $4 million? Especially given that you attributed the bulk of the cost to just flying there and back?

Apparently I was wrong. I was basing flight cost on exective 727 cost per hour but it seems to cost quite a bit more to fly air force one. This just gets worse the more I look into it.




"Air Force One is known to cost about $180,000 an hour to fly. Based on an estimated 18 hours roundtrip flying time for the jet between Washington and Honolulu, the travel cost alone of Obama’s decision to return to Hawaii amounts to around $3.24 million. And that doesn’t include the price tag for the massive security operation required to move the president or the cost of the cargo plane that follows Air Force One around.

The Obamas could have saved taxpayers millions by returning from Hawaii together after Christmas and then resuming their vacation at one of the many ritzy resorts that lie outside of Washington. If the beach is a must, even a trip to Florida would have been far less expensive.


Obama Returns to Hawaii at an Added Cost of Over $3 Million | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier
 
Going home and getting the Hell out of DC, working on your ranch cutting firewood, riding horses and clearing land is good for the soul of a president and centers him. Flying off to a luxury villa in Hawaii on a vacation that cost more than the average American earns in 20 years is an entirely different thing.

He bought the old hog farm, Prairie Chapel Ranch, just before becoming President and has rarely been back since leaving office.

It was a prop for the gullible.

Ever seen Dubya on a horse? Just ask former Mexican President Vicente Fox.

George Bush the Texan is 'scared of horses' - Telegraph

Clearing brush? LOL.....a rancher doesn't clear brush on a 1,500 acre ranch by hand, how silly can you get......LOL!!!!.....a rancher runs cattle.
In Texas we call that 'All Hat and No Cattle'.
 
He bought the old hog farm, Prairie Chapel Ranch, just before becoming President and has rarely been back since leaving office.

It was a prop for the gullible.

Ever seen Dubya on a horse? Just ask former Mexican President Vicente Fox.

George Bush the Texan is 'scared of horses' - Telegraph

Clearing brush? LOL.....a rancher doesn't clear brush on a 1,500 acre ranch by hand, how silly can you get......LOL!!!!.....a rancher runs cattle.
In Texas we call that 'All Hat and No Cattle'.

You are mixing Bush with Reagan in a haphazard manner that makes your post gibberish, you flunked English class huh. :lol:
 
I can't respond to all your charges so I will pick the low hanging fruit.
Even what you think of as low-hanging fruit is far too high for you to reach. Reagan's statement was that Mt. St. Helen's produced more pollution than all the automobiles in the country. Try getting him off that hook. Try it after considering that the actual statement was all the cars in the coutnry IN TEN YEARS. Try it after realizing that at its peak, Mt. St. Helen's was releasing about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide per day into the atmosphere as against the 80,000 plus tons of sulfur dioxide per day released into the air at the time by automobiles. Reagan was a rube preaching to yahoos. And he always had an audience.
 
Apparently I was wrong. I was basing flight cost on exective 727 cost per hour but it seems to cost quite a bit more to fly air force one. This just gets worse the more I look into it.
It hasn't become any less of a mindless partisan cheap shot, however. The dime-store right-wing propaganda mills spin up some sort of criticism of EVERYTHING Obama does. It was mindless Republican intransigence that stretched this whole cliff thing out until the last minute. Put the extra vacation cost blame on them. Also whatever extra costs the IRS has to run up now in order to get tax forms and instructions ready in time for April 15. Right-wingers are dyed-in-the-wool losers who would boo Obama if he won the Nobel Peace Prize. Oh wait...
 
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You are mixing Bush with Reagan in a haphazard manner that makes your post gibberish, you flunked English class huh. :lol:
No, he's exactly right. The "Bush ranch" was a hog farm purchased and dressed up in 2000 to serve as a manly PR backdrop in emulation of Reagan's bounding about across his Santa Barbara spread. But Bush indeed did not know how to ride and looked ridiculous on a horse. So they substituted clearing brush with a manly chainsaw instead, something that an actual rancher would not do since brush provides erosion control for the washes and gullies when the rains come. The whole ranch act was Hollywood. Even the cattle were trucked in. The post-presidency Bushes have been spotted in Waco/Crawford from time to time for Easter and Christmas retreats, but they don't live there. They live in Preston Hollow, the same overstuffed moneybags Dallas neighborhood they lived in before the clown ran for governor. Back to his spoiled brat, silver-spoon roots.
 
No, he's exactly right. The "Bush ranch" was a hog farm purchased and dressed up in 2000 to serve as a manly PR backdrop in emulation of Reagan's bounding about across his Santa Barbara spread. But Bush indeed did not know how to ride and looked ridiculous on a horse. So they substituted clearing brush with a manly chainsaw instead, something that an actual rancher would not do since brush provides erosion control for the washes and gullies when the rains come. The whole ranch act was Hollywood. Even the cattle were trucked in. The post-presidency Bushes have been spotted in Waco/Crawford from time to time for Easter and Christmas retreats, but they don't live there. They live in Preston Hollow, the same overstuffed moneybags Dallas neighborhood they lived in before the clown ran for governor. Back to his spoiled brat, silver-spoon roots.

Neither Bush nor Reagan claimed to be ranchers, they did however live on what were ranches. Reagan rode horses, Bush road mt bikes but the point is they went to their wide open spaces to recharge their batteries and get out of the beltway mentality. Bully for them.
 
Even what you think of as low-hanging fruit is far too high for you to reach. Reagan's statement was that Mt. St. Helen's produced more pollution than all the automobiles in the country. Try getting him off that hook. Try it after considering that the actual statement was all the cars in the coutnry IN TEN YEARS. Try it after realizing that at its peak, Mt. St. Helen's was releasing about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide per day into the atmosphere as against the 80,000 plus tons of sulfur dioxide per day released into the air at the time by automobiles. Reagan was a rube preaching to yahoos. And he always had an audience.

If you are going to quote somebody quote them in context and accurately, the quote by Reagan admitted he was speculating and was aw struck after flying over Mt St Helen's.

"I have flown twice over Mt St. Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about."
 
Neither Bush nor Reagan claimed to be ranchers, they did however live on what were ranches. Reagan rode horses, Bush road mt bikes but the point is they went to their wide open spaces to recharge their batteries and get out of the beltway mentality. Bully for them.


So ranch (that is remodeled and upgraded on the taxpayer dime) is ok, but Hawaii is not? The more and more I hear righties complaining about this, the more I laugh at their pettiness.

Also, you have to take into account the NUMBER OF TIMES that Bush used Airforce one to fly to his ranch. Seriously, you're complaints are looking foolish by each post.
 
So ranch (that is remodeled and upgraded on the taxpayer dime) is ok, but Hawaii is not? The more and more I hear righties complaining about this, the more I laugh at their pettiness.

Also, you have to take into account the NUMBER OF TIMES that Bush used Airforce one to fly to his ranch. Seriously, you're complaints are looking foolish by each post.

What you keep avoiding by saying obama is no worse than Reagan or Bush is the fact that he is supposedly an environmentalist that thinks we are warming the earth with fossil fuels but uses thousands more gallons of fuel to go on vacation to Hawaii rather than sunny Florida. Add to that the fact we are in "the worst economy since the great depression" and he shows no restraint in spending our money on his vacation and you have a joke not a president.
 
What you keep avoiding by saying obama is no worse than Reagan or Bush is the fact that he is supposedly an environmentalist that thinks we are warming the earth with fossil fuels but uses thousands more gallons of fuel to go on vacation to Hawaii rather than sunny Florida. Add to that the fact we are in "the worst economy since the great depression" and he shows no restraint in spending our money on his vacation and you have a joke not a president.

Yet you give passes to bush and complain about Obama when bush traveled far more times than Obama back to his ranch.

Make up your partisan mind please.
 
Yet you give passes to bush and complain about Obama when bush traveled far more times than Obama back to his ranch.

Make up your partisan mind please.

Leftists are all about the past. That.s why they know so little of the present and the future.
 
Leftists are all about the past. That.s why they know so little of the present and the future.

Actually traditionally conservatives are traditionalists. and leftists are liberals. wouldnt you agree?
 
Leftists are all about the past. That.s why they know so little of the present and the future.

Says the Bush apologist. Sorry but your partisan hackery comments mean nothin to me
 
Yet you give passes to bush and complain about Obama when bush traveled far more times than Obama back to his ranch.

Make up your partisan mind please.

Neither Bush or Reagan claimed to be environmentalist as they consumed 1000s of gallons of jet fuel to go to Hawaii and back and to Hawaii and back again like obama is doing. Neither Bush or Reagan took their vacations in "the worst economy since the great depression" as obama says we are in as he jet sets around the world.
 
Neither Bush nor Reagan claimed to be ranchers, they did however live on what were ranches. Reagan rode horses, Bush road mt bikes but the point is they went to their wide open spaces to recharge their batteries and get out of the beltway mentality. Bully for them.
The point is that like so much else about the man, the Bush "ranch" was a phony public relations gimmick from start to finish.

Not sure what you think "the beltway mentality" is or how you think it would differ from "responsibility to govern", but a President never steps away from that, no matter where he goes or what he does.
 
If you are going to quote somebody quote them in context and accurately, the quote by Reagan admitted he was speculating and was aw struck after flying over Mt St Helen's.
The quote was an on-the-record statement for an article in Time magazine to appear just weeks before the 1980 election, and it was made in the context of defending against criticisms of his weak environmental policies. And this was hardly the only dingbat thing he would say toward that end...

Growing and decaying vegetation in this land are responsible for 93 percent of the oxides of nitrogen.

Actually, industrial sources produce the vast majority of such oxides. The contribution from vegetation doing anything at all is negligible by comparison.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The U.S. Geological Survey has told me that the proven potential for oil in Alaska alone is greater than the proven reserves in Saudi Arabia.

Actually, the USGS was telling everybody at the time that oil reserves in Alaska were about one-seventeenth those in Saudi Arabia.

Trains are not any more energy efficient than the average automobile, with both getting about 48 passenger miles to the gallon.

Actually, cars don't get such mileage now and didn't then, and an average passenger train of the time would have gotten about 400 passenger-miles per gallon.

Reagan was known as "Teflon Man" because he lied like a rug and nobody held him accountable for it since he lied in such a kindly, charming, and grandfatherly manner. It was still all lies, no matter how you slice it.
 
Neither Bush or Reagan took their vacations in "the worst economy since the great depression" as obama says we are in...
Tweet! Reagan took eighteen (18) trips to Santa Barbara in the first three years he was in office, during which time we were indeed experiencing the worst economic decline since the Great Depression. Unemployment was above 10% for ten straight months, you know.

But you'll forgive Reagan. Just not Obama. Different standards apply.
 
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