Obama Plans 20-day, $4 million Vacation

Rocketman · Dec 27, 2012

please post something besides what liberal programmers are telling you. Cardinal Fang is one programmed SOB

Cardinal Fang · Dec 27, 2012

TaraAnne said:
Sounds like you just have issues with the facts you tried to look up and your agenda doesnt fit them. Like the job growth. State and local budgets were in the red way before he got into office. I could go on but judging by your posts you really wont care either way.

As the whole vacation complaint would go to show, right-wingers have always had significant difficulties in recognizing reality, but some of them seem to have dealt with the recent election by just running away from it altogether. History didn't happen, now isn't the present, there may not be a future. It's all very Mayan in an uninteresting sort of way.

Cardinal Fang · Dec 27, 2012

Rocketman said:
ANd they were worse after he had been in office as most economic indicators pointed out.

You mean like this, I guess...

QUARTERLY CHANGE IN REAL GDP AT ANNUAL RATES

Cardinal Fang · Dec 27, 2012

ttwtt78640 said:
In a nation that borrows $4 billon daily that is peanuts...

The actual number was less than $3 billion per day last year. Need to tone down your on-cue faux-outrage a little.

ttwtt78640 said:
The saddest part of this nation is that nobody (in either major party) seems to care that what we the sheeple (and our spendthrift congress critters) consume today must eventually be paid for tomorrow (by the next generation?).

You can stop worrying. We haven't paid off the public debt since 1836. We will never do so again. Ever.

Even though we were regulalrly doing so through 2001, Bush-43 did so much damage that it will be extremely unlikely for any debt even to be paid down for decades and generations to come.

Cardinal Fang · Dec 27, 2012

Rocketman said:
please post something besides what liberal programmers are telling you. Cardinal Fang is one programmed SOB

Spoils all your fun to be called on for actual facts, doesn't it. So much easier to just make it all up as you go along. Which is all that you have been doing. Can you support a single thing you have said in the past say five pages? I don't think so. It's all just worthless hollow talk.

Rocketman · Dec 27, 2012

Cardinal Fang said:
Spoils all your fun to be called on for actual facts, doesn't it. So much easier to just make it all up as you go along. Which is all that you have been doing. Can you support a single thing you have said in the past say five pages? I don't think so. It's all just worthless hollow talk.

facts do not come from the NYT or Huffington Post, any idiot knows unemployment is up, food stamps = up, disability rolls - up

whysoserious · Dec 27, 2012

Grant said:
They can vacation at Camp David, like many presidential predecessors did, and the many employees in his entourage would have been closer to their families over the holidays.

Didn't Bush generally go to Texas? You don't think he flew AF1 there?

Rocketman · Dec 27, 2012

whysoserious said:
Didn't Bush generally go to Texas? You don't think he flew AF1 there?

He owned a house and ranch there, why doesn't Oduma go home to Chicago?

whysoserious · Dec 27, 2012

Rocketman said:
He owned a house and ranch there, why doesn't Oduma go home to Chicago?

He could but it would still cost at least a few million each time.

Again, it's the cost of using AF1 and the entourage that being the president requires, not the cost of where he is staying. I'm sure each trip to Texas ran up a million or two for president Bush. You didn't care then, and you shouldn't care now.

http://www.politicususa.com/cost-obama-christmas-vacation-bush.html

Those who criticize the cost of Obama’s Christmas vacation don’t want you to know that George W. Bush spent at least $20 million taxpayer dollars just on flights to his ranch in Crawford.

The right wing has been outraged at the four million dollar plus price tag for Obama’s family Christmas vacation, and they constantly hold George W. Bush up as an example of how thrifty a president should be when going on vacation.

The problem is that W. wasn’t thrifty. He was the most expensive vacation president in US history. Not only did Bush spend more days on vacation than any other president, but he used Air Force One more often while on vacation than any other president.

The right wing is embarrassing.

Rocketman · Dec 27, 2012

whysoserious said:
He could but it would still cost at least a few million each time.

Again, it's the cost of using AF1 and the entourage that being the president requires, not the cost of where he is staying. I'm sure each trip to Texas ran up a million or two for president Bush. You didn't care then, and you shouldn't care now.

Bush Spent 5 Times More On Flights To Texas Than Obama

The right wing is embarrassing.

Any idiot knows it cost more to go from DC to Hawaii to that it would Chicago

Grant · Dec 27, 2012

Cardinal Fang said:
The actual number was less than $3 billion per day last year. Need to tone down your on-cue faux-outrage a little.

Let's get up-to-date.

U.S. National Debt Clock

You can stop worrying. We haven't paid off the public debt since 1836. We will never do so again. Ever.

With the difference being that the credit rating is now worse, will go down again, people will no longer lend money and the treasury, as it is doing now, wil just print more. Meanwhile the American people have become dependent on government programs and food stamps.

Even though we were regulalrly doing so through 2001, Bush-43 did so much damage that it will be extremely unlikely for any debt even to be paid down for decades and generations to come.

And poor Obama, despite all hid promises and extensive experience as a community organizer, couldn't turn it around. Yet the American people voted for this schmuck again.

Go figure!

a351 · Dec 27, 2012

Grant said:
people will no longer lend money

See this one far too often.

Grant · Dec 27, 2012

whysoserious said:
Didn't Bush generally go to Texas? You don't think he flew AF1 there?

Bush was not the only predecessor to Obama.

Over four years later and the leftists are still obsessed with Bush. This is very unhealthy.

whysoserious · Dec 28, 2012

Grant said:
Bush was not the only predecessor to Obama.

Over four years later and the leftists are still obsessed with Bush. This is very unhealthy.

So you are saying you want to know how much Clinton, GHWB, or Reagan flew as well and how much it cost per trip?

Look it up yourself, guy. I'm not your personal researcher.

Grant · Dec 29, 2012

whysoserious said:
So you are saying you want to know how much Clinton, GHWB, or Reagan flew as well and how much it cost per trip?

Look it up yourself, guy. I'm not your personal researcher.

I said no such thing and didn't ask you to look up anything. Please read the quote before responding.

whysoserious · Dec 29, 2012

Grant said:
I said no such thing and didn't ask you to look up anything. Please read the quote before responding.

Well, exactly what argument were you trying to make? I don't recall blaming Bush anywhere, so I suppose you were just trying to bait me.

Either way, Bush flew in AF1. Clinton flew in AF1. Obama is flying in AF1. Republicans are acting douchy.

All is right with the world.

sawyerloggingon · Dec 29, 2012

whysoserious said:
Well, exactly what argument were you trying to make? I don't recall blaming Bush anywhere, so I suppose you were just trying to bait me.

Either way, Bush flew in AF1. Clinton flew in AF1. Obama is flying in AF1. Republicans are acting douchy.

All is right with the world.

Obama himself called this economy "the worst since the great depression", then he takes two 727 jets to Hawaii on taxpayer money. If you can't see a bit of a problem with that you truly have blinders on.

whysoserious · Dec 29, 2012

sawyerloggingon said:
Obama himself called this economy "the worst since the great depression", then he takes two 727 jets to Hawaii on taxpayer money. If you can't see a bit of a problem with that you truly have blinders on.

He's the president. How do you want him to travel? He has a slightly large entourage... you know?

Let's be honest, you don't give a **** that he's travelling just like every other president has. You just don't like him and you, and your conservative buddies, will use anything you can to get pseudo-mad. In 3 years, if there is a conservative president, I sense you won't give one flying **** when he/she takes a vacation (and he/she will no doubt be flying there).

Cardinal Fang · Dec 29, 2012

Grant said:
Let's get up-to-date.

LOL! You won't do that with the so-called "National Debt Clock". It's a freaking internet widget. Except when somebody comes along and feeds some new actual data into it, it has no sort of connection to actual Treasury data or operations at all.

Meanwhile, the deficit last year was $1,089,193 million. If you divided that by the number of days in the year, you'd get your answer. Well, actually you'd get my answer.

Grant said:
With the difference being that the credit rating is now worse, will go down again, people will no longer lend money and the treasury, as it is doing now, wil just print more. Meanwhile the American people have become dependent on government programs and food stamps.

Food stamps ARE a government program, and people are lined up around the block to lend us their money. The 10-year Treasury yield closed on Friday at 1.73%. The S&P downgrade in August of 2011 -- a direct slap in the face to House Republicans in their intransigence -- was greeted by the markets by bidding prices of US debt even higher and yields even lower. The ratings agencies are not at all a factor in global perceptions of the dollar or the US economy. They are an irrelevancy.

Grant said:
And poor Obama, despite all hid promises and extensive experience as a community organizer, couldn't turn it around. Yet the American people voted for this schmuck again. Go figure!

MONTHLY JOB LOSSES

QUARTERLY CHANGE IN REAL GDP AT ANNUAL RATES

Cardinal Fang · Dec 29, 2012

Grant said:
Bush was not the only predecessor to Obama.

Right, but he spent more time away from the White House per year than any President in the roughly 85 years for which some sort of data exist.

Grant said:
Over four years later and the leftists are still obsessed with Bush. This is very unhealthy.

Get used to it. The history books are going to be dumping on him for centuries.

Cardinal Fang · Dec 29, 2012

sawyerloggingon said:
Obama himself called this economy "the worst since the great depression", then he takes two 727 jets to Hawaii on taxpayer money. If you can't see a bit of a problem with that you truly have blinders on.

FDR went to Warm Springs during the Depression and during WWII. Reagan made 18 trips to his Santa Barbara ranch in his first three years, and at the time we were in what was then the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.

sawyerloggingon · Dec 30, 2012

whysoserious said:
He's the president. How do you want him to travel? He has a slightly large entourage... you know?

Let's be honest, you don't give a **** that he's travelling just like every other president has. You just don't like him and you, and your conservative buddies, will use anything you can to get pseudo-mad. In 3 years, if there is a conservative president, I sense you won't give one flying **** when he/she takes a vacation (and he/she will no doubt be flying there).

I hear Florida is nice this time of year, he could have shown just a little restraint in his choice of destinations in times like these. The rest of us sure as Hell are.

sawyerloggingon · Dec 30, 2012

Cardinal Fang said:
FDR went to Warm Springs during the Depression and during WWII. Reagan made 18 trips to his Santa Barbara ranch in his first three years, and at the time we were in what was then the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.

I love it when you libs try to compare obama to people you hate like Reagan by saying obama is no worse.:mrgreen:

Zariak · Dec 30, 2012

sawyerloggingon said:
I love it when you libs try to compare obama to people you hate like Reagan by saying obama is no worse.:mrgreen:

lol sawyer do us all a favor and change your political view to "conservative" it's quite apparent how much you hate liberals

sawyerloggingon · Dec 30, 2012

Zariak said:
lol sawyer do us all a favor and change your political view to "conservative" it's quite apparent how much you hate liberals

So all you have is to attack me personally. You know why? Because my comment was irrefutable.

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