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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    I think we need to remember that the "entitlement spending" being referred to is entitled because we've paid it. The real entitlements are subsidies and preferential tax treatment. Those "entitlements" were not specifically paid for in the past and present. The only reason the debt is impacted by social security is because Congress borrowed from the social security trust and now us it (us) its money back.
    Horse crap. many of the entitlements are NOT Paid for. Especially not by those who are receiving them.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    And they ought to stand pat.
    So in the meantime, the debt increases with no real substantial plan to stop it. The automatic cuts are a bandaid to the debt problem and don't solve it in any case.

    The only thing the Dems gain by standing pat is continuing to put us into more debt. Is that a real gain for the country?

    Pointing fingers is not going to solve the debt problem.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Were they a centerpiece of his campaign? No.

    The Republicans want to get away without proposing a thing. It's not happening. You people will be held responsible.
    I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad-redeemer (your Divine Democrat your Hebrew Madman) and write over his thorn-torn brow, 典he true prince of Evil the king of the Slaves!
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So in the meantime, the debt increases with no real substantial plan to stop it. The automatic cuts are a bandaid to the debt problem and don't solve it in any case.

    The only thing the Dems gain by standing pat is continuing to put us into more debt. Is that a real gain for the country?
    Yes, absolutely - "though the heavens fall".
    I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad-redeemer (your Divine Democrat your Hebrew Madman) and write over his thorn-torn brow, 典he true prince of Evil the king of the Slaves!
    - Ragnar Redbeard, Might Is Right, 1890

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Yes, absolutely - "though the heavens fall".
    How is putting us into more debt good for the country?

    What I'm getting from your comments is you don't care that the country suffers as long as the Dems win.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Were they a centerpiece of his campaign? No.
    About how heavy was that goal post?...
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    How is putting us into more debt good for the country?
    Because it forces the Republicans out of their anti-tax absolutism. You cannot pay off the Federal debt with the revenue from a Laffer curve you've long since broached the other side of. Point blank. Tax increases are absolutely essential to paying it off. Little 'reforms' ala 1986 will not suffice to generate even a fraction of the revenue necessary to pay off the debt. But the House is unwilling to do what is necessary. So they must be whipped politically until they become so amenable to it.
    I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad-redeemer (your Divine Democrat your Hebrew Madman) and write over his thorn-torn brow, 典he true prince of Evil the king of the Slaves!
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    About how heavy was that goal post?...
    I reiterate: for four years you people have acted like petulant children. No more. The time has come to take you to the woodshed for your lashing.
    I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad-redeemer (your Divine Democrat your Hebrew Madman) and write over his thorn-torn brow, 典he true prince of Evil the king of the Slaves!
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Because it forces the Republicans out of their anti-tax absolutism. You cannot pay off the Federal debt with the revenue from a Laffer curve you've long since broached the other side of. Point blank. Tax increases are absolutely essential to paying it off. Little 'reforms' ala 1986 will not suffice to generate even a fraction of the revenue necessary to pay off the debt. But the House is unwilling to do what is necessary. So they must be whipped politically until they become so amenable to it.
    You cannot simply tax us out of debt either. Again, BOTH sides have to solve the issue.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I reiterate: for four years you people have acted like petulant children. No more. The time has come to take you to the woodshed for your lashing.
    And in the process hurt the country even more, probably beyond repair. But as long as your revenge is satisfied right?

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