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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Each side has their sacred cows. The Dems should provide what they feel should be cut from the GOP sacred cows and the GOP should provide what they feel should be cut from the Dems sacred cows.

    It's quite clear that spending cuts HAVE to happen, so why shouldn't BOTH sides be in on the process? Whatever happened to BOTH sides working to solve problems?
    The Republicans will not propose a tax increase. It simply won't happen; not a single Republican Congressman will go so far as to suggest that taxes ought actually be raised on anyone. Consequentially, the Democrats are under no obligation to propose a single cut, even if they want cuts in e.g. military spending. Let them only propose the tax increases they want and negotiate from there.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Confused...so the President is only the president when it's what he wants to do but if it's not he has no responsibility...? Also didn't the President campaign on 'balanced approach'? Why now does he have no responsibility to explain what he campaigned on?
    Obama never campaigned on cuts to anything. He campaigned on tax increases and called it balanced. He'll unoubtedly sign off on cuts, which he recognizes are essential. At the same time, unless the Republicans are willing to put up a tax increase - not "tax reform", but an increase - he is under no obligation to propose cuts of any kind, quid pro quo.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Republicans want Obama to propose both the tax increase and the entitlement cuts. That doesn't make sense. Republicans should come to the table with the entitlement and other spending cuts they want, and Obama should propose the tax increases he wants. It's not the responsibility of a President of either Party to shoulder the proposals of both his Party and the defeated opposition.
    well in his last SOTU address Obunny claimed that everyone was going to sacrifice-the rich by paying more taxes and everyone else by not getting as many government goodies. This means two things-Obama wanted to make everyone "Pay" for the deficit reduction and second-he doesn't believe the rich benefit from government spending

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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    The Republicans will not propose a tax increase. It simply won't happen; not a single Republican Congressman will go so far as to suggest that taxes ought actually be raised on anyone. Consequentially, the Democrats are under no obligation to propose a single cut, even if they want cuts in e.g. military spending. Let them only propose the tax increases they want and negotiate from there.
    This is the type of thinking that has gotten us into this partisan mess to begin with. BOTH sides are obligated to work together to provide tax increases AND cuts in spending which is what is needed.

    The reality is that our debt is out of control and needs to be reeled in. Both sides have an obligation to make that happen.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    This is the type of thinking that has gotten us into this partisan mess to begin with. BOTH sides are obligated to work together to provide tax increases AND cuts in spending which is what is needed.

    The reality is that our debt is out of control and needs to be reeled in. Both sides have an obligation to make that happen.
    If one side refuses to give a single inch, the other has absolutely no moral obligation to take the 'high ground' and pull double-duty makeup work. In fact, getting the Republicans off the hook for the mess they've gotten themselves into with the Norquist pledge isn't even the high ground.

    Partisanship isn't inherently a bad thing, the Beltway cult of fake bipartisanship be damned.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    It's really time for the bull**** to end. Obama knows that we need to cut entitlement spending (among others) and the GOP knows that raising the tax rate for the wealthiest (by 3 %, OH MY) will bring in some much needed revenue. That happens and lookie here, both were right, and we can finally end this nonsense.
    I think we need to remember that the "entitlement spending" being referred to is entitled because we've paid it. The real entitlements are subsidies and preferential tax treatment. Those "entitlements" were not specifically paid for in the past and present. The only reason the debt is impacted by social security is because Congress borrowed from the social security trust and now us it (us) its money back.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    If one side refuses to give a single inch, the other has absolutely no moral obligation to take the 'high ground' and pull double-duty makeup work. In fact, getting the Republicans off the hook for the mess they've gotten themselves into with the Norquist pledge isn't even the high ground.

    Partisanship isn't inherently a bad thing, the Beltway cult of fake bipartisanship be damned.
    Actually, in this case, partisanship is sending us barreling into horrendous debt. So yeah, that's a bad thing. I'm not blaming one side, I'm blaming BOTH sides for not working together to solve this problem.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually, in this case, partisanship is sending us barreling into horrendous debt. So yeah, that's a bad thing. I'm not blaming one side, I'm blaming BOTH sides for not working together to solve this problem.
    Again: it is a fait accompli that the Republicans will neither propose nor accept a tax increase. The Democrats can either go along like suckers and propose the politically harmful cuts that the Republicans want but don't want to be seen as putting on the table, or they can stand pat. And they ought to stand pat. If the Republicans continue to bitch like broodmares, they'll get cuts anyway after January 1st.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Obama never campaigned on cuts to anything. He campaigned on tax increases and called it balanced. He'll unoubtedly sign off on cuts, which he recognizes are essential. At the same time, unless the Republicans are willing to put up a tax increase - not "tax reform", but an increase - he is under no obligation to propose cuts of any kind, quid pro quo.
    Check that:

    The President has put forward a specific, balanced plan of spending cuts and revenue increases that reduces the deficit by more than $4 trillion over the next decade
    Issues - An economy built to last — Barack Obama
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: Obama to GOP: Im done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    If one side refuses to give a single inch, the other has absolutely no moral obligation to take the 'high ground' and pull double-duty makeup work. In fact, getting the Republicans off the hook for the mess they've gotten themselves into with the Norquist pledge isn't even the high ground.

    Partisanship isn't inherently a bad thing, the Beltway cult of fake bipartisanship be damned.
    I think partisanship is confused with common sense. Isn't it the policy of the US not to negotiate with terrorists? What do you call a person (or group of people) who want to gut the US government, threaten secession, and cheer "Let him die" about people without insurance, and want to encourage theocratic policies in a nation whose founding document specifies the separation of church and state?

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