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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    It's really time for the bull**** to end. Obama knows that we need to cut entitlement spending (among others) and the GOP knows that raising the tax rate for the wealthiest (by 3 %, OH MY) will bring in some much needed revenue. That happens and lookie here, both were right, and we can finally end this nonsense.
    Bravo!

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    A good example of taxing the rich and how it will pay for federal expenses.

    Bill Whittle - Taxes can't Solve the Deficit (Mathimatically Impossible) - YouTube

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Also from the article...

    " If Republicans want to cut Medicare, let them propose the cuts. If they want to raise revenue through tax reform, let them identify the deductions. If they want deeper cuts in discretionary spending, let them settle on a number. And, above all, if they don稚 like the White House痴 preferred policies, let them propose their own. "
    羨lso? Thanks for reposting precisely the passage included in the OP. That will help

    Where is the GOP proposal?
    Considering this:
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Wait a minute..... didn't Romney-Ryan just lose an election? Now you want to adopt their proposals? Why bother with elections?
    Why would the GOP be offering a proposal?...they lost, as you stated. Does it seem logical for the loser to dictate his terms for loss?

    You wonown it!
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Mark my words, whatever "solution/compromise" they come up with will only temporarily delay the inevitable. No real solutions will be considered by either side as it would cut into their supported projects. So they will continue to kick the can down the road for as long as possible and eventually our country will pay the price in a big big way. I would bet everything I own that in 10 years we are further in debt then we are today and the trend will continue.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Republicans want Obama to propose both the tax increase and the entitlement cuts. That doesn't make sense. Republicans should come to the table with the entitlement and other spending cuts they want, and Obama should propose the tax increases he wants. It's not the responsibility of a President of either Party to shoulder the proposals of both his Party and the defeated opposition.
    Why not? In 2011 during the debt ceiling negotiations the GOP had (or thought they had) based on the mid-term election enough political capital to 'demand' proposals. Now after the latest election the majority of this capital has evaporated. They are not in a very powerful position to leverage much...as the President has said 'elections have consequences'...
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Republicans want Obama to propose both the tax increase and the entitlement cuts. That doesn't make sense. Republicans should come to the table with the entitlement and other spending cuts they want, and Obama should propose the tax increases he wants. It's not the responsibility of a President of either Party to shoulder the proposals of both his Party and the defeated opposition.
    Exactly right. It appears that Obama has finally learned not to prenegotiate with himself as he did with ACA, the stimulus, and so many other issues. He has always come to the table with proposals that he figures should garner some support from Republicans, on a substantive basis, but the Republicans never support his proposals because they are ... his proposals.

    The effect is that Obama has started negotiations pretty close to where they should end, so he ends up giving away more than he should, AND he gets battered from both sides. Now he is doing the right thing. Democrats are more focused on the revenue side and stimulus, so that is what he proposes. Republicans are all about the spending cuts so that is what they should propose.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    My only problem with this is that I believe Obama and the Dems are using this as an attack platform against the GOP. Any cuts the GOP comes up with are quickly attacked and the GOP is then painted as "evil people against Big Bird" as one example.

    I don't believe Obama and the Dems are serious about cuts in spending to their sacred cows. Much like I don't think the GOP is interested in cutting spending with their sacred cows.

    Tax increases and cuts in spending BOTH need to happen, but I don't see that happening with this president or congress.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Why not? In 2011 during the debt ceiling negotiations the GOP had (or thought they had) based on the mid-term election enough political capital to 'demand' proposals. Now after the latest election the majority of this capital has evaporated. They are not in a very powerful position to leverage much...as the President has said 'elections have consequences'...
    Because it's not his responsibility to do the work of the Republicans for them. Let Boehner propose the cuts if he wants them so badly.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Because it's not his responsibility to do the work of the Republicans for them. Let Boehner propose the cuts if he wants them so badly.
    Each side has their sacred cows. The Dems should provide what they feel should be cut from the GOP sacred cows and the GOP should provide what they feel should be cut from the Dems sacred cows.

    It's quite clear that spending cuts HAVE to happen, so why shouldn't BOTH sides be in on the process? Whatever happened to BOTH sides working to solve problems together?

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Because it's not his responsibility to do the work of the Republicans for them. Let Boehner propose the cuts if he wants them so badly.
    Confused...so the President is only the president when it's what he wants to do but if it's not he has no responsibility...? Also didn't the President campaign on 'balanced approach'? Why now does he have no responsibility to explain what he campaigned on?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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