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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    LBJ created the programs which encouraged Americans to become dependent on government, a habit that will continue until the dollar collapses.
    Yeah, yeah, our forefathers were socialists, FDR being the biggest one. The man considered one of greatest presidents today, and so beloved in his time he won 4 elections..
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah, yeah, our forefathers were socialists, FDR being the biggest one. The man considered one of greatest presidents today, and so beloved in his time he won 4 elections..
    I never mentioned FDR but his programs certainly are around today and almost impossible to eliminate. There is little doubt that FDR and LBJ thought they were doing the right thing but, as we can see, it has led to dependency on the government, unimagined debt and crony capitalism.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I never mentioned FDR but his programs certainly are around today and almost impossible to eliminate. There is little doubt that FDR and LBJ thought they were doing the right thing but, as we can see, it has led to dependency on the government, unimagined debt and crony capitalism.
    Lack of jobs that pay a living wage is the cause, which was brought about by 30 years of Reaganomics. During Reagan's policy of cutting taxes for the wealthy and increasing military/industrial complex spending is when our debt to GDP first skyrocketed. Reagan racked up more debt than all the presidents before him.

    Glad to see the president not backing down from the rich.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Lack of jobs that pay a living wage is the cause, which was brought about by 30 years of Reaganomics. During Reagan's policy of cutting taxes for the wealthy and increasing military/industrial complex spending is when our debt to GDP first skyrocketed. Reagan racked up more debt than all the presidents before him.

    Glad to see the president not backing down from the rich.
    Why should Obama back down from the rich? That's who his friends are.

    The rich will continue to be rich. They will simply find more loopholes, hide their money, refuse to invest, or even leave the country.

    It's an Obama political tactic designed for boobs.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

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    Why should Obama back down from the rich? That's who his friends are.
    You wouldn't know it listening to them whine about slightly higher tax rates on income and capital gains. Glad to know they are behind it!
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You wouldn't know it listening to them whine about slightly higher tax rates on income and capital gains. Glad to know they are behind it!
    The rich are whining?

    It seems obvious the whines are coming from everywhere, including Barry Obama himself.

    "The rich" don't have enough money to carry the country even if all their wealth is confiscated, even if all the assets of Fortune 500 companies were seized. It is still not enough.

    But believe what you want. It really doesn't matter.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The rich are whining?

    It seems obvious the whines are coming from everywhere, including Barry Obama himself.

    "The rich" don't have enough money to carry the country even if all their wealth is confiscated, even if all the assets of Fortune 500 companies were seized. It is still not enough.

    But believe what you want. It really doesn't matter.
    Whose talking about confiscating all their wealth?

    They also aren't depended on to fund the whole government just help close the gap between revenue and expenses.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Whose talking about confiscating all their wealth?

    They also aren't depended on to fund the whole government just help close the gap between revenue and expenses.
    Please read the post properly before you respond.

    I said "even if". There was a point being made, though you seem to have missed it.

    Taxing 'the rich' woukld not significantly close any gap between revenue and expenses. The difference would be miniscule.

    Obama is making this argument to deflect from his over the top spending.

    Follow the money. Obama has borrowed and spent over $6,000,000,000,000 over and above what the many other sources of revenue are sending to Washington.

    Where has all that money gone? What do you have to show for it?

    Now he wants to increase the debt ceiling through executive order with no idea of how that money will be spent either. But it's likely it will go to another "stimulus" where billions of dollars simply disappear. You are in favor of this?

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please read the post properly before you respond.

    I said "even if". There was a point being made, though you seem to have missed it.
    I know what you wrote and understood it but I'm confused why something that is not being asked to do something it's not suppose to do is a reason for not raising the top marginal tax rates by less than 5%.

    Taxing 'the rich' woukld not significantly close any gap between revenue and expenses. The difference would be miniscule.
    There's going to be a lot of minscule cuts and increases to close the deficit. There's no silver bullet.

    Obama is making this argument to deflect from his over the top spending.
    That must be it...because revenue as a % of GDP aren't at a historic low not seen since the 1920's.

    Follow the money. Obama has borrowed and spent over $6,000,000,000,000 over and above what the many other sources of revenue are bring to Washington.
    Incorrect figure and completely ignoring that anybody that walked into the white house would of been dealing with 1 trillion a year deficits...unless they were willing to slash spending in the middle of a recession.

    Now he wants to increase the debt ceiling through executive order with no idea of how that money will be spent either. But it's likely it will go to another "stimulus" where billions of dollars simply disappear. You are in favor of this?
    The money is spent by congress.....the debt ceiling is just some loopy idea that Congress has to condone sending out checks to pay what they've already spent. There's not reason for it. If it gave the President a blank check to spend what he wanted I would be against it.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I know what you wrote and understood it but I'm confused why something that is not being asked to do something it's not suppose to do is a reason for not raising the top marginal tax rates by less than 5%.
    How can you possibly be confused? Taxing the rich will have no real effect on government spending or balancing a budget or lowering the debt. And "even if" the government was to seize all the monies of the rich it would still not solve the problem. What's confusing about that?

    There's going to be a lot of minscule cuts and increases to close the deficit. There's no silver bullet.
    What "miniscule cuts are those? The government is spending well over $1,000,000,000,000 each year than they are bringing in. How can this be resolved with "miniscule cuts"?
    That must be it...because revenue as a % of GDP aren't at a historic low not seen since the 1920's.
    But at that time Americans were willing to work and not become dependent on Government. I often here that excuse but the Americans of yesterday are significantly different from the Americans of today. keep in mind that the American government is also over $70,000,000,000,000 in debt for the programs promised to seniors, etc. Where will that money be coming from?

    Incorrect figure and completely ignoring that anybody that walked into the white house would of been dealing with 1 trillion a year deficits...unless they were willing to slash spending in the middle of a recession.
    You had better become accustomed to living in a permanent recession. It cannot improve unless sacrifices are made and Americans have demonstrated that they don't have the stomach for that.
    The money is spent by congress.....the debt ceiling is just some loopy idea that Congress has to condone sending out checks to pay what they've already spent. There's not reason for it. If it gave the President a blank check to spend what he wanted I would be against it.
    Barrack Obama has had budgets suggested to him and he has refused. he has submitted budgets and they were unanimously rejected by both parties and independents. As i understand this not coming up with a budget is also unconstitutional. Just when Americans required leadership they choose BHO to continue to do his thing, whatever that is. I do have a great deal of sympathy for those honest hardworking Americans but they are becoming the minority in this ongoing gender warfare, class warfare, State warfare and the race warfare of this new America.

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