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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As documented above, history shows those of us interested in looking at it, that the effective tax rates for the wealthy were higher than anything being proposed today.

    Trickle down economics was a failed experiment and the people have rejected it.
    How many dodges is that for you in this thread? Your propaganda is filled with more holes than swiss cheese.

    US Has Highest Corporate Tax Rate in Developed World, Topping Japan

    "As countries such as Canada and the United Kingdom have moved to reform their tax systems and lower rates to encourage economic growth, America's inaction puts American worldwide companies at a competitive disadvantage and threatens our economic recovery," said Bruce Josten, an official at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
    We get it though. The Marxists/Collectivist/Socialists that you worship say "trickle down economics" and objectify/characterize successful Americans as evil, you want your hand out, so you lap it up and repeat their talking points.

    JFK (A Democrat)

    Income Tax Cut, JFK Hopes To Spur Economy 1962/8/13 - YouTube

    What is your projected % of GDP Growth once we raise taxes on small businesses and evil rich people. Give me a number if you're so smart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScMvZinMb6E

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    How many dodges is that for you in this thread? Your propaganda is filled with more holes than swiss cheese.
    So you define a dodge as when someone refutes your opinion with facts? That's good to know.

    JFK (A Democrat)
    I am happy to go back to the effective tax rates under Kennedy! :-)


    What is your projected % of GDP Growth once we raise taxes on small businesses and evil rich people. Give me a number if you're so smart.
    No one is proposing to raise taxes on 98% of small businesses. And I have not heard anyone say the rich are evil. There is no reason we cannot return to the debt to GDP ratio we were at under Clinton.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    And the strawman that the majority of Americans want tax increases has been officially debunked. 41% of people who voted for Obama actually want spending cuts. What % of people who voted for Romney wanted tax increases? Want to take a guess?

    Poll: President Obama voters split on deficit - POLITICO.com Print View

    Yet 41 percent who supported the Democratic incumbent want to get control of the deficit mostly by cutting spending, with only some tax increases, while another 41 percent want to solve it mostly with tax increases and only some spending cuts.

    Just 5 percent of Obama supporters favor tax increases alone to solve the deficit, half the number who back an approach that relies entirely on spending cuts.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    And the strawman that the majority of Americans want tax increases has been officially debunked. 41% of people who voted for Obama actually want spending cuts. What % of people who voted for Romney wanted tax increases? Want to take a guess?

    Poll: President Obama voters split on deficit - POLITICO.com Print View





    Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy

    "With the fiscal cliff drawing closer, raising taxes on wealthy Americans remains a popular option. And while the public divides closely on reducing federal income tax deductions, two-thirds oppose another possibility, raising the age for Medicare eligibility.

    Sixty percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll support raising taxes on incomes more than $250,000 a year, long a popular option overall, but also a divisive one: While 73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree.

    See PDF with full results and charts here."

    Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy - ABC News
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    That number would have been about right if he woulda let the bush tax-cuts expire the last time.
    or unemployment after 26 weeks

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    So you define a dodge as when someone refutes your opinion with facts. That's good to know.
    You've refuted nada. You are dodging with limp talking points.

    Do you understand the fundamental difference between "taxable income" and what people actually earn? You understand how the Effective Tax Rate works right? I thought not. A lot of compensation wasn't counted as taxable income back then.

    I am happy to go back to the effective tax rates under Kennedy! :-)
    And you would also be in favor of reinstating all those deductions and loopholes right? hahaha

    Back then you could deduct business travel, business meals, interest payments, all kinds of things. Companies would loan their employees housing and other benefits that could be written off. There were numerous tax shelters that people took advantage of. Hell if you took your wife on a business trip with you, you could write it off.

    No one is proposing to raise taxes on 98% of small businesses. And I have not heard anyone say the rich are evil. There is no reason we cannot return to the debt to GDP ration we were at under Clinton.
    Oh but you are when you factor in STATE INCOME TAX rates as well as adjustments for inflation. Man this is like shooting fish in a barrel. Too easy. Look I don't really want to waste any more time educating you. My advice would be to turn off MSNBC and go back to school. Take an economics class. You might learn something.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post

    Do you understand the fundamental difference between "taxable income" and what people actually earn?
    Yes, I do, that is why the study I referenced compared "effective tax rates".
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy

    "With the fiscal cliff drawing closer, raising taxes on wealthy Americans remains a popular option. And while the public divides closely on reducing federal income tax deductions, two-thirds oppose another possibility, raising the age for Medicare eligibility.

    Sixty percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll support raising taxes on incomes more than $250,000 a year, long a popular option overall, but also a divisive one: While 73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree.

    See PDF with full results and charts here."

    Among Cliff-Avoidance Options, Most Favor Targeting the Wealthy - ABC News
    From your own link. Did you even read it?

    Notably, “strong” support for raising taxes on the well-off is nearly double strong opposition, 42 vs. 23 percent. That’s because 57 percent of Democrats are strongly in favor, as are 42 percent of independents, vs. just 22 percent of Republicans.

    While well short of a majority, support for a tax increase among four in 10 Republicans may provide some wiggle room to Republican leaders seeking compromise. Some, notably, have indicated a willingness to back off from the no-tax pledge many have taken.
    Independents and Republicans are not strongly in favor of raising taxes. It's not a majority. Sorry. Not even Obama voters favor ONLY raising taxes on the wealthy, but this is your little emo strawman that you can't let go because you have nothing else.

    Even if the majority was in favor of stringing up all the rich people and confiscating their wealth, it's not going to pay for Obama annual 4T "budget"

    So tell everyone what the expected growth in GDP will be once you target small businesses and evil rich people? Inquiring minds want to know

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I do, that is why the study I referenced compared "effective tax rates".
    Elaborate

    You're dodging .... hahaha

    Explain how it works smart guy

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    From your own link. Did you even read it?
    Yes, the poll results showed majority support for increasing taxes for the wealthy - "73 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of independents are in favor, far fewer Republicans, 39 percent, agree."
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