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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am aware no such thing happened neither during the 90's before the Bush tax cuts, nor when they were much higher for the wealthy from the 1940's to the 1980's. Apparently, the majority of American public is more resistant to BS than are some.
    Oh here we go with that wonderful talking point where in the end it comes out that no one actually paid the rates being talked about and the reason they were lowered is because they were damaging to the economy.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am aware no such thing happened neither during the 90's before the Bush tax cuts, nor when they were much higher for the wealthy from the 1940's to the 1980's. Apparently, the majority of American public is more resistant to BS than are some.
    You really need to study up if you want to attempt to debate me on this

    Nobody paid those rates back then. There were so many loopholes and deductions, nobody paid them. You're just bleeting some useless talking point you read on Daily Kos.

    When Reagan lowered the marginal rates from 70% to 28% he eliminated many of those loopholes and deductions. The result was MASSIVE Economic Growth as high as 9.3% GDP in one quarter with a million jobs created in one month.

    So let's get deeper into this. If we raise taxes on small business and the evil rich, what do you predict GDP Growth will be

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I wonder if all those middle class people think their tax rates for the last ten years were temporary and are ready to give them up? I bet on both the answer is no.
    I repeat, the Democrat have already acted to continue the tax cuts for the middle class. The Republicans have not.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I repeat, the Democrat have already acted to continue the tax cuts for the middle class. The Republicans have not.
    And I repeat they refuse to allow them to continue for all americans like the republicans want. Just got to hold out for that class warfare, right?

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Have they hurt our economy or are you just parroting Obama?
    You don't think the National Debt affects the economy?
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You don't think the National Debt affects the economy?
    You do realize there was TWO parts to the plan rolled out by Bush, right? Guess which part was never done? Which part do you think caused the debt?

    And the economy was in fact in good shape after the tax cuts.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Don't you want economic growth? Don't you want a repeat of the boom times we had with trickle-down economics under Reagan?
    I prefer stable economic growth, not the boom followed by recession or depression that the Republicans bring us.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I repeat, the Democrat have already acted to continue the tax cuts for the middle class. The Republicans have not.
    Obama and the Democrats have enacted the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in History

    Try again

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I prefer stable economic growth, not the boom followed by recession or depression that the Republicans bring us.
    Hahahahaha

    1.3% GDP Growth with 9% Unemployment is stable?

    15% Black Unemployment is stable?

    6 trillion in new debt within 4 years is stable?

    HAHAHAHAHA

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Romney-Ryan plan carries absolutely no weight now but if crying makes you feel better, knock yourself out!

    "Boehner argued that it doesn稚 matter whether new revenue comes from the wealthy or the middle class.

    Listen, what is this difference where the money comes from? We put $800 billion worth of revenue, which is what he is asking for, out of eliminating the top two tax rates. But, here痴 the problem, Chris, when you go and increase tax rates, you make it more difficult for our economy to grow, after that income, the small business income, it is going to get taxed at a higher rate and as a result we池e gonna see slower economic growth, we can稚 cut our way out of this problem, nor can we grow our way out of the problem, we have to have a balanced approach and what the president wants to do will slow or economy at a time when he says he wants the economy to grow and create jobs.

    Boehner is wrong on two points. First, there is no reason to believe that restoring Clinton-era tax rates on incomes over $250,000 will prevent the economy from growing; on the contrary, rate increases on the wealthy in 1992 and 1994 were followed by a tremendous economic boom. Second, it clearly matters where the revenue comes from; as Boehner and the Republicans own rhetoric acknowledges, the middle class needs fiscal relief not an increased burden.

    The full interview between Boehner and Wallace can be seen here; the exchange on tax rates begins at the 5:33 mark.

    Perhaps Boehner doesn稚 care where new revenue comes from because he hasn稚 yet figured it out. When Wallace pressed Boehner to name specific loopholes and deductions that he壇 be willing to eliminate in order to make up the revenue lost by extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, Boehner declined as Romney and Paul Ryan did repeatedly during the campaign telling Wallace, 的知 not going to debate this or negotiate this with you.

    The National Memo サ Boehner: No Difference Between Raising Revenue From Middle Class Or Wealthy
    Ryan is a member of Congress. Last I heard, the Constitution still required the Congress to pass laws. Sucks that the left hasn't figured out how to do it by Executive Order, but that is their lot in life. The Speaker has offered revenues. Where are Obama's new cuts? As someone else pointed out, the Fiscal Cliff is the bi-partisan plan. Obama agreed to it. If he is not willing to play the game, so be it. He is the one who signed the Cliff into existence. The House has a 7% approval rating--they do not have a "mandate" to fix the problem. As the left tries to point out, Obama does. It does not mean he gets what he wants, it just means he has more to lose politically than the GOP. It isn't like our "What are you going to do for me now" electorate will give a tinker's darn about this in 2 years let alone 4.

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