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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The tax increases are going to happen either way. Because the tax cuts, not just the bush tax cuts but the other too, will end on the 1st of jan. And that is the fiscal cliff. Because the tax increase will increase on EVERYBODY.

    So. Obama will get his way, at least some of it. If the republicans are serious about helping the american people, they should negotiate with Obama.
    Obama is spending 5.60$ for every real dollar of GDP Growth. He has to borrow and print the rest. We need Economic Growth. Not tax increases. We need spending cuts. Not tax increases.

    President Obama has been illegally spending at TARP levels of expenditures for 4 years. Harry Reid will not pass a budget.

    Obama spent half of TARP

    Obama and the Democrats passed the Omnibus Spending Bill

    Obama and the Democrats passed his failed stimulus which did nothing to stimulate the Economy and was awash in fraud and cronyism

    Obama is running trillion+ deficits every year. His administration spends currently about 3.8T a year

    Obama claimed that raising taxes during a recession is the wrong path forward. He even extended the Bush Tax cuts which we can now call the "Obama tax cut extensions"

    Revenue to the Treasure increased dramatically when taxes were cut because economic growth + more workers/low unemployment = more revenue to the Treasury

    FLASHBACK: Obama Says You Don't Raise Taxes In A Recession - YouTube

    Let's go back to the Clinton era Spending levels and do what Clinton did. Cut Capital Gains taxes.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Eh.. no... because the rich will get a tax increase when the tax cuts expire.

    It is not the GOP who chooses anything. It needs to be a bipartisan agreement. That means that both parties are choosing not to be reasonable at the expense of the american people. This is nothing new because they have been this way for a long time. And the american people have voted for the same people to be in Congress this time around. Well, a few less republican senators and a few more representative republicans. Anyway. Nothing changed.

    Also, Obama struck down the 2.2 Trillion spending cut + revenue increase plan the republicans put forward. So I guess they're both even on being unreasonable. Now its time to pull together, talk sense and make compromises.
    The groundwork for a compromise is being laid. That groundwork includes the point being made by the Whitehouse, that Congress should extend the tax cuts for the middle class as a start, as both sides agree on this and it is supported by the great majority of Americans.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Republicans have to act to renew the tax cuts for the middle class, or lose control of the House in 2014.
    And if the democrats continue to not budge on tax increases for the rich while being willing to allow all tax cuts to end if they don't get their way face nothing. I think its funny how that works. One party wants all tax cuts to continue and the other wants to hold out for one group to have an increase but its all the formers fault because the later didn't get their way. Its a bit odd how the evil guy here is the guy wanting no tax increases while the guy that is causing problems which could result in everyone getting a tax increase is the good guy. I swear I'm an alternate universe where everything is backwards.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Bottom line: We have PLENTY of revenue already, and this tax increase will only add to the amount of wasteful spending in Washington. It won't go to the debt because it never does.

    We have a spending problem only. Not a revenue problem. Unless, of course, you have dependent citizens that you need to keep dependent.
    If we had "plenty" of revenue, there would be no need to cut services for seniors and the middle class.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Obama is spending 5.60$ for every real dollar of GDP Growth. He has to borrow and print the rest. We need Economic Growth. Not tax increases. We need spending cuts. Not tax increases.

    President Obama has been illegally spending at TARP levels of expenditures for 4 years. Harry Reid will not pass a budget.

    Obama spent half of TARP

    Obama and the Democrats passed the Omnibus Spending Bill

    Obama and the Democrats passed his failed stimulus which did nothing to stimulate the Economy and was awash in fraud and cronyism

    Obama is running trillion+ deficits every year. His administration spends currently about 3.8T a year

    Obama claimed that raising taxes during a recession is the wrong path forward. He even extended the Bush Tax cuts which we can now call the "Obama tax cut extensions"

    Revenue to the Treasure increased dramatically when taxes were cut because economic growth + more workers/low unemployment = more revenue to the Treasury

    FLASHBACK: Obama Says You Don't Raise Taxes In A Recession - YouTube

    Let's go back to the Clinton era Spending levels and do what Clinton did. Cut Capital Gains taxes.
    That's nice. I am aware of all that. However, it doesn't change the fact that Obama will get his tax increases if the republicans don't come to terms and in exchange for giving Obama his tax hike on the wealthy to give tax cuts to the poor and the middle class. And also cut spending. You are right. Spending needs to be cut. Obama wants a win and this tax hike on the rich will be a massive PR win. Not that much an economic win, but a massive PR win. And he wants it.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The groundwork for a compromise is being laid. That groundwork includes the point being made by the Whitehouse, that Congress should extend the tax cuts for the middle class as a start, as both sides agree on this and it is supported by the great majority of Americans.
    Why are you people still claiming "middle class tax cuts" when Obamacare is the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in history

    People who make less than 60K a year have more disposable income than those that make 60K a year because of Government subsidies and hand outs. That unfairness can be laid directly at the feet of Obama and the Marxists/Socialists/Collectivists who support him.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    That's nice. I am aware of all that. However, it doesn't change the fact that Obama will get his tax increases if the republicans don't come to terms and in exchange for giving Obama his tax hike on the wealthy to give tax cuts to the poor and the middle class. And also cut spending. You are right. Spending needs to be cut. Obama wants a win and this tax hike on the rich will be a massive PR win. Not that much an economic win, but a massive PR win. And he wants it.
    Dodge noted

    In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year | ZeroHedge



    Obamacare = massive tax increase on the poor and middle class

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ty_One-Col.pdf

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaeb...-year-earners/

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    But not the democrats that have only talked about tax increases for the rich and by all accounts and purposes have been completely uninterested in the process? I never did understand the American people but it seems as time goes on they are making less sense.
    The Democrat controlled Senate has already passed renewal of the middle class tax cuts.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Democrat controlled Senate has already passed renewal of the middle class tax cuts.
    It's not a "tax cut" when the rate has been the same for 10 years

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Why are you people still claiming "middle class tax cuts" when Obamacare is the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in history

    People who make less than 60K a year have more disposable income than those that make 60K a year because of Government subsidies and hand outs. That unfairness can be laid directly at the feet of Obama and the Marxists/Socialists/Collectivists who support him.
    The majority of American people do not agree with you.
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