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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Love those soundbites don'tcha. He's not been negotiating with himself, he's been sounding out the republicans for ideas, because apparently he has none of his own on this manner. He's supposed to lead, put forward HIS plan and then let the congress critters debate it. Thus far it's been nothing but trial balloons and, "hey, what do you guys think of that, will that work?".

    The President needs to present a plan the little darling comes up with all by his lonesome (advisors are okay). Show the nation what he wants to do, not in dreams, or in hopes, but in reality. Then you can go after the republicans if you like the plan and they obstruct it.
    He presented a plan. The Republicans laughed at it. It's now their serve.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why should anyone bother to "show" you anything if you're just going to dismiss it out of hand without discussion, or even reading it?
    Well, isn't that what the Republicans just did with Obama's first offer?
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    OK, so they've finally gotten off the pot. The White House liked their suggestion just about as much as they liked his. Now what? I think the White House is perfectly willing to let the Republicans take us over the financial 'cliff' because they don't want their millionaire buddies taxed at a higher rate.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    He presented a plan. The Republicans laughed at it. It's now their serve.
    His plan amounts to more spending, a tax increase along with assuming control over the debt ceiling.

    Not only did the republicans laugh at it, but his own cabinet did as well. The proposal was a joke and everyone had a nice little laugh over it. Now when did he put up something serious?

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Why would anyone's plan's be meaningless? Does it matter who has the good ideas so long as they are indeed good ideas? Obama could have gotten a loty more traction from republicans on Obamacare if he'd just have listened to some of the good ideas the republicans had concerning removing barriers for HC insurance companies from practicing in any state, or tort reform, or creating a whole new dept in the interior to manage and prosecute medicare and medicaid fraud, and waste.. Are these not good ideas?


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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    He presented a plan. The Republicans laughed at it. It's now their serve.
    What plan? And no, even if he did, it's not "their serve". That's not the way it works (at least with a POTUS that has a plan). Virtually any other POTUS would be on TV right now telling the American people, "holy ****, you're going to suffer if these asshats don't cooperate - here's my plan, please call your senator/representative".

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Guess what, when it came to the branch that controls the purse strings, so were the democrats. "Suck it. We won" doesn't play well with your opposition that won the House--oh I think only half of what you say is true--Ryan won.
    The Romney-Ryan plan carries absolutely no weight now but if crying makes you feel better, knock yourself out!

    "Boehner argued that it doesn’t matter whether new revenue comes from the wealthy or the middle class.

    Listen, what is this difference where the money comes from? We put $800 billion worth of revenue, which is what he is asking for, out of eliminating the top two tax rates. But, here’s the problem, Chris, when you go and increase tax rates, you make it more difficult for our economy to grow, after that income, the small business income, it is going to get taxed at a higher rate and as a result we’re gonna see slower economic growth, we can’t cut our way out of this problem, nor can we grow our way out of the problem, we have to have a balanced approach and what the president wants to do will slow or economy at a time when he says he wants the economy to grow and create jobs.

    Boehner is wrong on two points. First, there is no reason to believe that restoring Clinton-era tax rates on incomes over $250,000 will prevent the economy from growing; on the contrary, rate increases on the wealthy in 1992 and 1994 were followed by a tremendous economic boom. Second, it clearly matters where the revenue comes from; as Boehner and the Republicans’ own rhetoric acknowledges, the middle class needs fiscal relief — not an increased burden.

    The full interview between Boehner and Wallace can be seen here; the exchange on tax rates begins at the 5:33 mark.

    Perhaps Boehner doesn’t care where new revenue comes from because he hasn’t yet figured it out. When Wallace pressed Boehner to name specific loopholes and deductions that he’d be willing to eliminate in order to make up the revenue lost by extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, Boehner declined — as Romney and Paul Ryan did repeatedly during the campaign – telling Wallace, “I’m not going to debate this or negotiate this with you.”

    The National Memo サ Boehner: No Difference Between Raising Revenue From Middle Class Or Wealthy
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    His plan amounts to more spending, a tax increase along with assuming control over the debt ceiling.

    Not only did the republicans laugh at it, but his own cabinet did as well.
    So, lets head over the so-called cliff and see how everything turns out. I'm sure those millionaires and billionaires will be very greatful to Grover and the Republicans for saving them money.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So, lets head over the so-called cliff and see how everything turns out. I'm sure those millionaires and billionaires will be very greatful to Grover and the Republicans for saving them money.
    Tell Obama that if he wants tax increases he has to put them along side cuts not another stimulus and more spending overall. I know its fun to make joke proposals and have a nice little laugh over it before you send it out, but lets not call such things serious, ok?

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, isn't that what the Republicans just did with Obama's first offer?
    No; heck, the OP even makes that clear. But if it were, it doesn't absolve you.
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