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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Had Romney won, we would still be talking about sequestration because neither side wants to give anything up.

    I would prefer the automatic trigger @ 11:59pm on 12/31/12 to what is most likely in the works: Kick the can.
    Kick the can was going to happen even if Romney had won. It's amazing the koolaid some drink to think Obama and Romney were REALLY different.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    I think a lot of the posters in this thread have misinterpreted the point of the article. Obama has set an opening offer for negotiations, and unlike in previous disputes, he is no longer going to negotiate against himself. That doesn't mean he is unwilling to compromise. Like any experienced negotiator, he has set his opening offer "high." It's now up to the other side to counter, and the process will continue until both sides have a deal that surpasses their BATNA.

    The conservative expectation that Obama's initial proposal be a perfect final deal is a perfect example of the strategy of pure opposition. We've already seen what conservatives do to Democratic proposals that adopt Republican ideas and aim for the center. They waste years challenging them legally as the most authoritarian and socialist reform to hit the country in centuries. Enough. Now that conservatives control half of congress, they can no longer hide behind a simple opposition strategy. They have a stake in power in Washington, and they need to get off their asses and behave like negotiators rather than judges.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I think a lot of the posters in this thread have misinterpreted the point of the article. Obama has set an opening offer for negotiations, and unlike in previous disputes, he is no longer going to negotiate against himself. That doesn't mean he is unwilling to compromise. Like any experienced negotiator, he has set his opening offer "high." It's now up to the other side to counter, and the process will continue until both sides have a deal that surpasses their BATNA.

    The conservative expectation that Obama's initial proposal be a perfect final deal is a perfect example of the strategy of pure opposition. We've already seen what conservatives do to Democratic proposals that adopt Republican ideas and aim for the center. They waste years challenging them legally as the most authoritarian and socialist reform to hit the country in centuries. Enough. Now that conservatives control half of congress, they can no longer hide behind a simple opposition strategy. They have a stake in power in Washington, and they need to get off their asses and behave like negotiators rather than judges.
    Interesting perspective. Is the President engaged with the Senate or are they already in his pocket?

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Oh, and I forgot, not only did it not guarantee any spending cuts, it also called for real increases in spending. You can't make this **** up.

    White House Plan on Fiscal Crisis Draws G.O.P. Ire - NYTimes.com



    Wow.
    Then let's hear something from Orange tan. Let's hear a Republican proposal. Not the Mittens kind, which has nothing specific in it but a real proposal, with real cuts.

    Mainly what the Republicans do is say nothing and whine a lot. How about showing some guts?
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I think a lot of the posters in this thread have misinterpreted the point of the article. Obama has set an opening offer for negotiations, and unlike in previous disputes, he is no longer going to negotiate against himself. That doesn't mean he is unwilling to compromise. Like any experienced negotiator, he has set his opening offer "high." It's now up to the other side to counter, and the process will continue until both sides have a deal that surpasses their BATNA.

    The conservative expectation that Obama's initial proposal be a perfect final deal is a perfect example of the strategy of pure opposition. We've already seen what conservatives do to Democratic proposals that adopt Republican ideas and aim for the center. They waste years challenging them legally as the most authoritarian and socialist reform to hit the country in centuries. Enough. Now that conservatives control half of congress, they can no longer hide behind a simple opposition strategy. They have a stake in power in Washington, and they need to get off their asses and behave like negotiators rather than judges.
    That's not how the Republicans work. They are incapable or more likely unwilling to come up with any proposal of their own and would much prefer to have the President do all of the work. It's how they roll.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What Obama wants and what he gets are two different things. However, if you feel the need to cry "the sky is falling, the sky is falling", be my guest. It's almost as bad as though claiming that Obama is going to do away with the presidential term limits if he was elected again in 2012.

    It's funny watching conservatives act like many did during the Bush era. But of course it's different now because it's Obama
    You appear to be claiming I cared for Romney and Bush when the fact is I didn't. Regardless, asking for control over the debt ceiling is Obama asking for a power grab for the executive branch. I consider that a serious matter.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    That's not how the Republicans work. They are incapable or more likely unwilling to come up with any proposal of their own and would much prefer to have the President do all of the work. It's how they roll.
    Would it not be better for the democrats to come up with things they want to cut since at least then we have a starting point on cuts?

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Cuts are the essence of the Republican plan to attack the fiscal crisis. I'm still waiting for them to say what exactly they want to cut. Obama has said he will consider anything the Republicans propose. So far, they've proposed nothing. Time, as the saying goes, to **** or get off the pot.
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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Then let's hear something from Orange tan. Let's hear a Republican proposal. Not the Mittens kind, which has nothing specific in it but a real proposal, with real cuts.

    Mainly what the Republicans do is say nothing and whine a lot. How about showing some guts?
    Let's not. Instead how about the President does his job and put forth a serious proposal that will address the problems we have without throwing the baby out with the bath water. You were all high on the fact the dems won this last election - now they should do their jobs.

    Thus far there's been no serious proposal from the President for the republicans to oppose, just a whole lot of manuveuring and trial balloons. This wounded brainstorming effort hasn't worked in the past four years, it's not going to work going forward. Make the serious proposal and debate it as should be.

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    Re: Obama to GOP: I知 done negotiating with myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    ...Let's hear a Republican proposal. Not the Mittens kind, which has nothing specific in it but a real proposal, with real cuts.

    Mainly what the Republicans do is say nothing and whine a lot. How about showing some guts?
    Since you asked:

    Sen. Bob Corker: A plan to dodge the ‘fiscal cliff’ - The Washington Post

    http://www.corker.senate.gov/public/...12_Summary.pdf

    Note this is a 'BILL' written up in legislation language not some plan that has yet to be written...

    Also note:

    By contrast, Corker痴 got a bill in hand: 242 pages of 斗eg language, as he puts it, CBO-scored and ready to roll out.
    Corker

    Already CBO scored...show me ANY other that has been 1)written and 2)scored by EITHER Democrats OR Republicans...
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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