State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Bronson said:

Why should I have to define normal for you? Don't you know?

What % of the population engages in man inserting sexual organ into another man's buttocks compared to the % of the population that engages in the "normal" sexual activity between a male and female? You seem to be approaching this from the position that I'm discussing anal sex in terms of pleasure. You are mistaken. The primary function of sex is to propagate the species. Can you show me where a baby has ever been conceived when a man has put his sexual organ into a anus? Appreciate it.



And they wouldn't have come to that conclusion because of political reasons? The "normalization" of Homosexuality is just another Cultural Marxist tactic to break down the traditional family.

Click to expand...

There are more heterosexuals that have anal sex than there are homosexuals.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Jredbaron96 said:

So your saying normality is defined by what the majority does/is?

Click to expand...

Nope

Conspiracy forum is over there. ------>

Click to expand...

Dodge noted

It's not my problem you don't want to discuss all possibilities

OH yeah, I forgot about that part of the Communist Manifesto where is said the homosexuality is the pinnacle of workers rights. Silly me.

Click to expand...

Another dodge noted

Read the goals of Communists. It's about changing the culture gradually over time and breaking down the traditional family unit. Look at the families in the black community. 70% single mother households. Breaking the traditional family unit is one of the main goals of Liberals/Collectivists

How are blacks doing under Liberal/Collectivist policies? 15% Unemployment. 50% youth unemployment.

Guess what buddy.

Queers have families too. They're all right.

Click to expand...

That's your opinion and unfortunately for the children in those "families" studies have shown children are best raised by their biological parents (male and female) in a low conflict household. It's scientific fact.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Bronson said:

It's purpose is defecation. The expulsion of fecal matter.

If mentally ill people choose to put their sexual organs or other objects in there, that doesn't make it "normal"

What if Homosexuality is a mental disorder like OCD, BPD, NPD, ect.? It's certainly a possibility.

Click to expand...

Homosexuality isn't a mental disorder simply because you find it "icky". All of our sexual organs serve multiple purposes. Your argument is invalid.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

zgoldsmith23 said:

Oh boy, does that mean any man who has received a rectal examination is mentally ill? Do you have any evidence that being homosexual is the same as being mentally ill? The purpose of the vagina is also used to expel babies and urine. What's your point? A nation of celibate losers? No fun in that.

Click to expand...

One small correction, urine is not expelled through our vaginas. It's expelled through a separate opening, the urethra. Otherwise...good post!

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

zgoldsmith23 said:

Considering that wasn't even a reply to me, I didn't dodge anything. Your falsehood is noted, though.

Here is my response: Click here, Bronson

Click to expand...

Why do you keep dodging? You're trying to characterize my opinion as a CT. It's easier for you to play these mocking games while tossing out a bunch of canards because you don't want to have a real discussion.

Let's look at your quote from that link:

zgoldsmith23 said:

Oh boy, does that mean any man who has received a rectal examination is mentally ill? Do you have any evidence that being homosexual is the same as being mentally ill? The purpose of the vagina is also used to expel babies and urine. What's your point? A nation of celibate losers? No fun in that.

Click to expand...

So now you want to equate a medical examination (like a plumber checking the pipes) to sexual activity for pleasure. Every example you've given here is a red herring.

Homosexuality was a mental illness (DSM-II Criteria) until it was removed (the case can be made it was for political reasons). There were no major scientific breakthroughs which caused psychologists to remove it. None. It was removed with a vote and only passed with 55% of that vote. A homosexual group based out of San Francisco originally started the "political protests" to remove Homosexuality from the DSM-II criteria.

Now you can go ahead and mock and do what you're going to do with your little tactics. I don't bother with that. Truth isn't necessarily always what you want to hear. It's not cool and trendy in today's warped culture to criticize or question homosexuality. Teh gays are a Collectivist/Liberal Victim Group now in 2012. They cannot be questioned/criticized/ect apparently.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

RabidAlpaca said:

Homosexuality isn't a mental disorder simply because you find it "icky". All of our sexual organs serve multiple purposes. Your argument is invalid.

Click to expand...

Excuse me can you point to where I claimed it was "icky" or where I found it repulsive?

Thanks

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

sawyerloggingon said:

This is the kind of stuff that predicated the fall of the Roman empire. Watch for the legalization of having sex with children next.

Click to expand...

For the sake of sport.

The Roman Empire fell because of excessive micromanagement from the Roman Emperors spurred social and economic unrest that required them to divide the Empire into smaller administrative units. These often became political and military rivals, fighting civil wars for the control of the empire as it was before the divisions. While this turmoil was occurring warrior-tribes (like the Franks, Anglo-Saxons, and Goths) moved from unconquered territories (like Germania, and central Europe generally) into Roman territories (like Gaul, Britannia, and the Iberian peninsula [Spain]), providing new security and forming new power-structures around their chiefs, who eventually became the hereditary kings and nobility of the feudal system that overtook Western, Central, and finally Northern Europe. This barbarian migration eventually extended into Italy itself, and after repeated conquests (from the Vandals and the Goths) the last institutions of the Roman Republic fell into disuse and the Pope took direct political control of the ruins of Rome (the surrounding territories would become the Papal States).

Feudalism never really came to Italy itself (except when some of its territories were conquered by the Normans and Germans), and ancient republican institutions (such as those in Venice) persisted for a long time in cities and towns outside of Rome. In Roman style, these were mainly oligarchical in character and centered around wealthy and prominent families in the Patrician tradition.

The Eastern half of the Empire (Byzantine) was free from most of this turmoil and persisted as a economic, cultural, and military powerhouse for some centuries -- one that continued to identify itself with the legacy and the traditions of Rome until it was conquered by the Turks in the Late Middle Ages.

Gay marriage does not pertain to the division and gradual dissolution of the Roman Empire.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Gina said:

One small correction, urine is not expelled through our vaginas. It's expelled through a separate opening, the urethra.

Click to expand...

Quoted for Truth

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Bronson said:

Excuse me can you point to where I claimed it was "icky" or where I found it repulsive?

Thanks

Click to expand...

No, you're just claiming that a perfectly natural act is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is quite common even in the animal world. What is your real beef with them? Do they not deserve to be happy?

State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates

Gina said:

One small correction, urine is not expelled through our vaginas. It's expelled through a separate opening, the urethra. Otherwise...good post!

Click to expand...

True. I didn't think Bronson would understand "connects bladder to genitals and is expelled through the urethra which is included in the anterior vaginal wall," though.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

zgoldsmith23 said:

True. I didn't think Bronson would understand "connects bladder to genitals and is expelled through the urethra which is included in the anterior vaginal wall," though.

Click to expand...

No worries, I just wanted to clarify, though I would assume most guys understand that anyway.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

RabidAlpaca said:

No, you're just claiming that a perfectly natural act is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is quite common even in the animal world. What is your real beef with them? Do they not deserve to be happy?

Click to expand...

You claim it is "natural"

I disagree

You keep ignoring everything and falling back upon this "animals are gay too. So it's natural." strawman

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals. You can't point to irrational animal behavior and claim we use that to measure what is morally acceptable in a civil society. Men are rational beings. When an animal is trying to jam it's sexual organ into an anus, it's not making a rational determination that it is engaging in a homosexual act. It doesn't even know the difference between an anus and a vagina. They don't recognize and separate different stimuli intellectually like humans do.

Animals also eat their young and engage is cannibalism. Are those natural too?

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

zgoldsmith23 said:

True. I didn't think Bronson would understand "connects bladder to genitals and is expelled through the urethra which is included in the anterior vaginal wall," though.

Click to expand...

There you go with the mocking and humiliation tactics again

You are stuck in emotional arguments so you try and label anyone "stupid" who doesn't agree with you

Like I said before I don't bother with that nonsense. Keep leaning on everyone else for emotional support though if it makes you feel better.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

RabidAlpaca said:

No

Click to expand...

Thank you for the clarification

The rest of your post was once again an attempt to negatively label my opinions with things I never claimed. You need to please stop doing that.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Bronson said:

You claim it is "natural"

I disagree

You keep ignoring everything and falling back upon this "animals are gay too. So it's natural." strawman

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals. You can't point to irrational animal behavior and claim we use that to measure what is morally acceptable in a civil society. Men are rational beings. When an animal is trying to jam it's sexual organ into an anus, it's not making a rational determination that it is engaging in a homosexual act. It doesn't even know the difference between an anus and a vagina. They don't recognize and separate different stimuli intellectually like humans do.

Animals also eat their young and engage is cannibalism. Are those natural too?

Click to expand...

My dog is gay. He seems to have absolutely no sexual interest in female dogs. He always humps male dogs. That's ok with me, that's his decision, as long as it makes him happy.

My question is, why do you feel that other people being gay effects your life? If it makes them happy, who are you to interfere? What is it you want to do with gay people?

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Bronson said:

Why should I have to define normal for you? Don't you know?

What % of the population engages in man inserting sexual organ into another man's buttocks compared to the % of the population that engages in the "normal" sexual activity between a male and female? You seem to be approaching this from the position that I'm discussing anal sex in terms of pleasure. You are mistaken. The primary function of sex is to propagate the species. Can you show me where a baby has ever been conceived when a man has put his sexual organ into a anus? Appreciate it.



And they wouldn't have come to that conclusion because of political reasons? The "normalization" of Homosexuality is just another Cultural Marxist tactic to break down the traditional family.

Click to expand...

You know why I can ignore your posts on this topic and know that I am not missing anything? Because you have expressly chosen to repeatedly use solely male on male gay sex as a homosexual act. I would wager you have watched your fair share of girl-on-girl videos. Does being turned on by two girls going at it make you fit into the "mental illness" category along with all of the other gays?

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

madman said:

This here is one of my biggest qualms with religion. You get to pick and choose what you hate and support.
You want to hate gays, pick church A. You want to support gays, pick church B

It's really too simple.

Click to expand...

Agreed. But people can pick whatever they want to believe in, no matter how idiotic.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Sonic said:

Agreed. But people can pick whatever they want to believe in, no matter how idiotic.

Click to expand...

That is correct. So when people are called out as bigots or if they discriminate because it's their religious belief, then they have zero argument.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

wolfsgirl said:

There are more heterosexuals that have anal sex than there are homosexuals.

Click to expand...

OMFG!!! i cant believe that. All of those sinners.

/sarcasm

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

sawyerloggingon said:

It starts like this:

"The union between two individuals – heterosexual or homosexual – was considered a pleasurable fact and posed no moral problem for the upper-class Roman elite"

And it progresses to this:

"As Paul Veyne relates, "…it was proverbially held that sex with boys procures a tranquil pleasure unruffling the soul." Examples abound in almost overwhelming abundance. Ovid relates the story of Ganymede as boy lover to Jove, as well as his description of Orpheus who turns to boys as a tranquil consolation after having lost his wife"

Sexuality in the Roman Empire

Click to expand...

I think you're forgetting something.

We're not Rome.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

madman said:

That is correct. So when people are called out as bigots or if they discriminate because it's their religious belief, then they have zero argument.

Click to expand...

Once again I agree. Aren't we all "God's people?" I've never really gotten why people are so hell bent on making sure gays don't have the same rights. Seems against what I know about the Bible. This is why separation of church and state is important. We should have never allowed religious groups to dictate that gays are less than equal.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

sawyerloggingon said:

This is the kind of stuff that predicated the fall of the Roman empire. Watch for the legalization of having sex with children next.

Click to expand...

Interestingly, there are quite a few theories for the fall of the Roman Empire. Same sex marriage is not one of them so far as I've read.

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Sonic said:

Once again I agree. Aren't we all "God's people?" I've never really gotten why people are so hell bent on making sure gays don't have the same rights. Seems against what I know about the Bible. This is why separation of church and state is important. We should have never allowed religious groups to dictate that gays are less than equal.

Click to expand...

No, we're NOT all god's people. I dont believe in a god therefor, i have NO god.
The separation only applies to the government. Im sure you know that. It's when the common people bring their religion into the voting booth and vote what their religion tells them. That's the problem

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

JRog said:

Interestingly, there are quite a few theories for the fall of the Roman Empire. Same sex marriage is not one of them so far as I've read.

Click to expand...

Read some of the fundie blogs You'll get egdumacated

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Bronson said:

Sorry man but the butt is exit only

Click to expand...

That is simply not supported by any facts. Nothing in the shape of the butt makes it only an exit.