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State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

What exactly are you so frightened of? i mean aside from gays being happy which truly seems to annoy you.

Live and let live. Everybody needs to stay out of everybody else's business. Cripe.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

What exactly are you so frightened of? i mean aside from gays being happy which truly seems to annoy you.

You think I oppose it to make gays unhappy? My family values the traditional gender roles. I believe this is one reason our family is so strong in this society where divorce has risen over time. Have the dads ask their daughters whether they dream of being a bride or a "spouse b". It's the expectation of everything to go to one neutral instead of creating a sufficient alternate that infuriates me. It's similar to the atheists I want to kick the crap out of for expecting crosses to not be in public view or the stupid "holiday tree" controversy.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Gee -- without it being spelled out on the marriage certificate, how are most married couples supposed to know which is which?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

How could the old terms be accommodated? There is no clear equivalent to husband, wife, bride or groom in most gay couples.

I've always pictured using those terms, I'll get married to my wife, and I'll be her wife. And I've always used girlfriend, instead of partner, etc. That's just me though.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

This is the kind of stuff that predicated the fall of the Roman empire. Watch for the legalization of having sex with children next.

We all know that the logical next step is bestiality. Followed by mandatory gay marriage. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.






On a side note, why is it only partisan hyperbole when a Liberal does it?
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Gee -- without it being spelled out on the marriage certificate, how are most married couples supposed to know which is which?

I need the government to tell me if I'm a Husband or spouse A. I'm dependent on the government.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

I need the government to tell me if I'm a Husband or spouse A. I'm dependent on the government.

and I am always at a complete loss without the instruction manual that shows me how to put it together.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

It starts like this:

"The union between two individuals – heterosexual or homosexual – was considered a pleasurable fact and posed no moral problem for the upper-class Roman elite"

And it progresses to this:

"As Paul Veyne relates, "…it was proverbially held that sex with boys procures a tranquil pleasure unruffling the soul." Examples abound in almost overwhelming abundance. Ovid relates the story of Ganymede as boy lover to Jove, as well as his description of Orpheus who turns to boys as a tranquil consolation after having lost his wife"

Sexuality in the Roman Empire

Did you actually read the very link you put up? Because after reading it three times,I can't find were the author makes the connection between homosexuality and it being the reason for the Fall of Rome.


The Fall of Rome could just has easily been caused be lead poisoning.
Lead Poisoning and Rome
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Ive heard that argument before, mainly from the "other side", regarding some words that are now considered highly offensive.

Im glad the world rejected that position.

There is a reason why you do not see me getting all offended here on the board. I realize I am responsible for my emotional reactions. I do not blame them on every one else.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Who really cares what the government tells us to call ourselves? I don't.

Some people just bitch for the sake of bitching.

'Sticks and stones will break my bones - names will never hurt me.'

Time to grow up, children, and move on to something that is actually important.

No one is telling any one what to call themselves. This is what the government is calling it, and the government is trying to actually be accurate.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

You think I oppose it to make gays unhappy? My family values the traditional gender roles. I believe this is one reason our family is so strong in this society where divorce has risen over time. Have the dads ask their daughters whether they dream of being a bride or a "spouse b". It's the expectation of everything to go to one neutral instead of creating a sufficient alternate that infuriates me. It's similar to the atheists I want to kick the crap out of for expecting crosses to not be in public view or the stupid "holiday tree" controversy.

No one is asking you to change your values. No one is asking you to change your relationships in any way.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

No one is telling any one what to call themselves. This is what the government is calling it, and the government is trying to actually be accurate.

My point was that this is much ado about nothing.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

I've always pictured using those terms, I'll get married to my wife, and I'll be her wife. And I've always used girlfriend, instead of partner, etc. That's just me though.

Which would be a problem under the old documents since one of you would be a groom and a husband. But yeah, I see your point.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

There is a reason why you do not see me getting all offended here on the board. I realize I am responsible for my emotional reactions. I do not blame them on every one else.

I bet you could be offended easily.

Im not going to but I bet I could trigger you into a "ban" in no time.

But I wouldnt, because its important not to offend. We take efforts not to, & that should be universal (in a decent society).
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

I need the government to tell me if I'm a Husband or spouse A. I'm dependent on the government.

It is a simple test involving a heavy box, a spider, and a pair of heels one size too small for your feet. If you find yourself killing the spider while carrying the heavy box, you are 'Husband". If you find yourself trying to cram your feet into the six-inch heels that are too small for your feet while your significant other kills the spider and carries the box, you are Spouse A.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

You think I oppose it to make gays unhappy?

Yeah, it seems to bug you that you cannot push them back into the closet. It is obvious you are ticked off, and over such a pointless thing.
My family values the traditional gender roles.

What tradition? Oh yeah, there are no traditional gender roles. There are those who wish to keep old gender roles because they like slave like women, but aside from that today the gender roles are all over the place so tradition was gone a long time ago and now people who subjugate their wives and daughters are the freaks.
I believe this is one reason our family is so strong in this society where divorce has risen over time.

Yes, because women are strongest when they stay with abusive and overbearing husbands due to some notion they might go to hell made up by people who thought their savior was a zombie made of crackers and cheep wine. Sorry, but you get your supposed strength from a book of fiction written by some greedy men trying to cash in on the jew craze way back in history. Sorry, but that is not everyone's tradition, and though it is yours you are not allowed to force everyone into your little world of make believe. You want to pretend you are going to heaven to be with jesus because you call yourself husband and wife that is great, but go do that on your own. I am not here to make you feel better or play a game of pretend with you because you cannot face the world because to dudes get married.
Have the dads ask their daughters whether they dream of being a bride or a "spouse b".

Why don't I ask girls why they seem to only think they are worthy in life if they become a wife? Oh yeah, because you taught your little girls they are only worthwhile when they gt married, and become bare foot and pregnant to their husband. Again, that is great and all, but i am not playing pretend with you. Those little girls can still call themselves wife, no one is actually stopping that. You can still teach your children traditional values of marriage inspired slavery straight from the good book of make believe. The government should accomodate all people because we all do not believe in the biblical fairy tale bull.
It's the expectation of everything to go to one neutral instead of creating a sufficient alternate that infuriates me.

No offense, but i think you missed the meaning of the word gay. gay is not gender neutral. gays actually appreciate the genders, they just appreciate their genders. Gay people do not want androgeny. This is the same thing as thinking gay people are transgendered. your ignorance is showing. Gay guys don't want a wife. So having husband and wife makes no sense in that area. It makes a lot more sense to use the word spouse instead of printing out each combination. BTW spouse is a proper term for either a married woman or man. You are your wife's spouse. That word works just fine and it does apply to you. What is even worse is it has applied to you for all your life and you have never ever had a complaint about using it up until now. This means your complaint is entirely about gays.
It's similar to the atheists I want to kick the crap out of for expecting crosses to not be in public view or the stupid "holiday tree" controversy.

you are a violent hateful guy aren't you? The sort of person who hears happy holidays and wants to punch someone despite it being a well wishing term. Again, that is nice and all, but if different people bother you and freedom is an enemy of yours then perhaps you are in the wrong place. Anyways, enjoy the world that is changing, and enjoy your meltdown, but gays and gay marriage are the way of the future and it is not going away even if you punch someone. Do remember when you die and if you meet jesus to let him know how the supposed guy who claimed unconditional love, acceptance, and compassion inspired you to want to punch people. now go find your spouse and have a happy holidays with your holiday tree and remember Santa doesn't like people like you, and he is the king of christmas.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

They are not asking you to change what you call yourself.

Only what you're legally called
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Only what you're legally called

Correct. It is something done out of necessity since instead they had a bride and groom, a husband and wife, and those would not work like that with SSM being legalized there.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

I'm about to go off on the gays if this doesn't stop. The gays can call each other whatever in the heck they want. I'll even provide the white out for their certificate. However, they're in for a fight if they expect me and other normal couples to drop the use of husband and wife.

You can use husband and wife all you want.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

The government should not be involved in marriage, period. It makes no sense and serves no purpose.

Let whoever wants to get married get married according to whatever ceremony or religion they feel comfortable with. Get rid of joint filings and simplify the tax code.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

Which would be a problem under the old documents since one of you would be a groom and a husband. But yeah, I see your point.

Easy solution is just to have bride and groom on both sides, and have them as choices.

Like Bride 1, Groom 1, and Bride 2, Groom 2, and have the people circle the option that applies.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

I'm about to go off on the gays if this doesn't stop. The gays can call each other whatever in the heck they want. I'll even provide the white out for their certificate. However, they're in for a fight if they expect me and other normal couples to drop the use of husband and wife.

So being gay is abnormal? Guess I know where you stand on the issue.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

So being gay is abnormal? Guess I know where you stand on the issue.

You just woke up in the lap of a liberal if you think gay is normal.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

No one is telling any one what to call themselves. This is what the government is calling it, and the government is trying to actually be accurate.

Shouldn't we though?

There is a clear distinction between introducing Bob Jones from accounting and his lovely wife Linda to someone at an office holiday party and Sally Mead and her lovely Partner B Danielle. Is there not a definite connotation associated with husband and wife that Person A and Person B lacks? More to the point, doesn't the different terminology invoke a clear difference between the two relationships making the use of one very offensive to the other? Perhaps homosexuals should have just accepted "Civil Unions" if marriage between two homosexual people would forever be seen as not real marriage through which we call one another.
 
re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

You just woke up in the lap of a liberal if you think gay is normal.

Who cares? Who are any of us to pass judgement on anyone else?
 
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