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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    It is discriminatory yes but not illegal. Churches have the right to refuse to marry any couple for any reason they want. The government does not.
    I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just stating the law. For instance, would a priest be arrested for refusing to marry an interracial couple? Then how long until he'll be arrested for refusing to marry a gay couple?

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But refusing gay couples is discriminatory, and discrimination is illegal, is it not? So how are we not on this road other than your "trust me" argument?
    so is refusing straight couple, its discriminatory too but the FACTS are churches are allowed to discriminate based on their religion they are legally allowed to do so, they have constitutional protection.

    so my argument isnt trust me its FACTS while yours is fantasy and churches already are and have been discriminating for YEARS.

    so my statement stands as it has logical support and facts to back it up while your claim has ZERO.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just stating the law. For instance, would a priest be arrested for refusing to marry an interracial couple? Then how long until he'll be arrested for refusing to marry a gay couple?
    no a "priest" wouldnt, how ole are you and are you from this country?

    priest refuse to marry white couples, young couples, old couples black couples, gay couples, straight couples NOW and have been for years and years its not illegal because the constitution says so.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no a "priest" wouldnt, how ole are you and are you from this country?

    priest refuse to marry white couples, young couples, old couples black couples, gay couples, straight couples NOW and have been for years and years its not illegal because the constitution says so.
    But they don't refuse to marry them because of those things, except for gay couples. They refuse them on other grounds that have to do with Church law. Refusing a marriage simply because they are gay, will that be an identity deserving of protection? It seems we're going moving toward that.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just stating the law. For instance, would a priest be arrested for refusing to marry an interracial couple? Then how long until he'll be arrested for refusing to marry a gay couple?
    No. There have been churches that refuse to marry black couples or interracial couples before and no one got in any sort of legal trouble.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    No. There have been churches that refuse to marry black couples or interracial couples before and no one got in any sort of legal trouble.
    What denomination would allow that? However, banning gays from getting married is virtually universal among the Christian denominations.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But they don't refuse to marry them because of those things, except for gay couples. They refuse them on other grounds that have to do with Church law. Refusing a marriage simply because they are gay, will that be an identity deserving of protection? It seems we're going moving toward that.
    100% wrong
    we arnt moving towards anything like you said because the constitution allows them to discriminate. AGain are you even from america?
    gays, blacks, whites, straights etc are ALREADY protected from discrimination but the church can still refuse them because they are legally allowed.

    there is NOTHING that seems we are moving that way and facts prove that.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What denomination would allow that? However, banning gays from getting married is virtually universal among the Christian denominations.
    I dont know what denominations would allow that. I just know its happened and its perfectly legal. Just like refusing to marry a gay couple is.

    Here is one example.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi...6#.OqhhKfIucU8

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    100% wrong
    we arnt moving towards anything like you said because the constitution allows them to discriminate. AGain are you even from america?
    gays, blacks, whites, straights etc are ALREADY protected from discrimination but the church can still refuse them because they are legally allowed.

    there is NOTHING that seems we are moving that way and facts prove that.
    But they don't do that, so where's the test that says that they can do that?

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    I dont know what denominations would allow that. I just know its happened and its perfectly legal. Just like refusing to marry a gay couple is.

    Here is one example.

    Mississippi Church Rejects Black Wedding - ABC News
    And the church apologized shortly thereafter.

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